05 EB Camshaft/Timing chain "HELP"

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So I started working to change the timing chain on my 05 Expy and forgot to clamp down the pass side cam shaft, so when I remover the chain the phaser and cam shaft twisted to the left a bit.

Though I had it back but when I turned over the engine (by hand) the shaft now makes a clunk sound instead of just turning over. I was able to change the driver side chain without issue, so I need "HELP" figuring out how to get the pass side shaft/phaser back to where it is suppose to be without the klunk sound of turning over the engine by hand.

Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!
 
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So to put it in better terms I had an accidentally rotation of the camshaft and am not sure how to put it back so that the Expy starts and runs correctly.
 

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In order to do it right you're going to have to remove the timing cover to see the timing marks.
 
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Camshaft Timing

I have everything removed, but I am trying to figure out the process of getting the camshaft back in the proper place so that I can put the chains on and get the engine back in time.

I am trying to figure the proper process out so that I do not cause damage to the engine.

thanks again.
 

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You need to invest in a manual. The ideal way is to remove certain followers, I don't remember which ones, to reduce the load on the cams and make them easier to turn. And the crank has to be a certain way as well.
 
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Help

Thanks for the reply back. I guess I am being a little vague about my issue.

I hope this explanation is a bit better. The first time I removed the timing chain I did not have the camshaft held down so it would not move, I was able to turn the camshaft back to the proper position in order for the lobe to be correct. I put everything back on and did a manual rotation of the engine to make sure there were no issues. When I did this instead of the exhaust sound being made the entire 360 degrees the cam shaft seemed to have tension and made a hard clunk sound when.

So of course my first though was that it was not in the proper time, however being a dumb dumb I did not set the time back to TDC before removing everything, once everything was removed I took the tensioners and guides off and then removed the chain again like a complete moron, so now the camshaft rotated again and the engine is/was not in TDC.

So my question is, How do I get the engine in TDC and the correct lobe?

Do I just put the chain back on and turn the engine over by hand until TDC and hope that the pass side camshaft lobe is in the correct position (or is there a certain way to get the rest of the engine in time (pistons and what not) and then get the camshaft:puke: timing correct)?

If this is all correct would I follow this information How To Remove/Replace/Inspect/Install A Camshaft Phaser Sprocket On A Ford/Lincoln Navigator/Mercury Mountaineer For Engine Variable Valve Timing How To Remove/Replace/Inspect/Install A Camshaft Phaser Sprocket On A Ford/Lincoln Navigator/Mercury Mountaineer For Engine Variable Valve Timing « AutoRepairInstructions.com

I am trying to not break or destroy a head, piston or anything else inside the engine. I am just looking for a CLEAR understanding on HOW to get both the engine in time along with the camshaft so that I can put the chains on correctly and get the Expedition back up and running while it is still warm.

Thanks again!:think:
 
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We understand your issue. Your best bet is to start from scratch. I've timed 4V and 3V engines. It's not hard. You just need to have everything in the right spot. The link you showed is the short cut if the engine hasn't moved. It sounds like you moved the engine. Pull the timing cover and start over. It'll take longer to get the timing cover off then it will to set the cams.
 

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ouch!!
set your cams and crank trigger wheel up straight this is 12 o clock your links need to be matched with the chains on your cam wheels and crank wheel. sounds like you messed your mechanical timing up. if this is what I think you did. you also need to make sure your guides and chains are even when installed never fight these parts onto mating surfaces.
 

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