2004 cluster issues?

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  1. Morten88

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    I just bought a 2004 expedition with some faults. Truck has about 188000km
    When I'm traveling at 60km/h (gps) speedometer is showing ~15km/h, and the transmission won't shift because of that... it will shift in to 2. If I set the gear lever in 2.
    Output speed sensor and DTR are new, didn't make any difference.
    Checked fuses and they are ok.
    Any tips in here? Do I need a new cluster?
     
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    Welcome to the forum

    Hang tough someone will offer you some advice
     
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    I would validate the signal going from the vss to the pcm. It will generate a variable frequency ac voltage as the rpms of the tail shaft increase - higher rpms are higher frequency.

    The intrument cluster is mostly an output device.
     
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    Thank you Bedrck47.


    I will try to measure some ac, just need to find the right wire's

    And also, I was told that the problem came after the truck had a flat battery and was out of power for about a year. First thing that came to my mind was a ground problem.... but no luck with that so far
     
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    I would expect a decent scan tool to be able to read the vss as live data. If not, look at Forscan. I haven't used it but other members on the forum speak highly of the program.

    Don't poke holes in the wire insulation to avoid corrosion issues in the future.
     
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    I will try Forscan.

    What is the chances of the problem to be inside the transmission?

    Is OEM OSS the only way to go? don't think the new one is from Ford...

    Can I make 2 new wires and plug them in to the OSS and still get some AC signal?
     
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    Your problem may be sensor type. I helped a guy with a vw that had the same issue - turned out to be the incorrect sensor was used.
    I always try to stick with oem unless the cost is crazy.

    Yes you can make your own harness to take readings. That would only test the sensor but if you use a scan tool you will see what signal is delivered to the ecm.
     
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    Forscan worked great!

    It could not complete the calibration of advancetrac because vehicle conditions are incorrect!?

    ALL of ABS speed sensor and my gps was at 10 km/h
    Vehicle speed 1 km/h
    Output shaft speed 67 rev/min
    Actual output shaft speed 66 rev/min
    Vehicle speed 2.6 km/h
    Vehicle speed OBD2 1 km/h
    Vehicle speed sensor signal status: No fault
    Vehicle speed 3.2 km/h



    ===TPM DTC None===
    Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

    Module: Tire Pressure Monitor

    ===END TPM DTC None===

    ===OBDII DTC None===
    Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

    Module: On Board Diagnostic II

    ===END OBDII DTC None===

    ===IC DTC B1352===
    Code: B1352 - Ignition key in circuit fault

    Module: Instrument Cluster

    Diagnostic Trouble Code details

    Ignition key in circuit fault

    --- Possible Causes --------
    This DTC can be generated by:

    -Open Key-In Ignition Switch circuit
    - Battery short Key-In Ignition Switch circuit
    - Battery short Ignition Switch RUN/ACCY circuit
    - Suspect Ignition Switch
    - Suspect Lighting Control Module.

    ===END IC DTC B1352===

    ===ABS DTC C1288===
    Code: C1288 - Pressure Transducer Main/Primary Input Circuit Failure

    Module: Antilock braking system

    ===END ABS DTC C1288===

    ===ABS DTC C1998===
    Code: C1998 - Module Calibration Failure

    Module: Antilock braking system

    ===END ABS DTC C1998===

    ===PCM DTC P1000===
    Code: P1000 - On-Board Diagnostic (OBD) Systems Readiness Test Not Complete

    Module: Powertrain Control Module

    Diagnostic Trouble Code details

    Check of all systems is not complete since last memory clear.

    --Possible Causes--
    - The vehicle is new from the factory and has not yet been through a complete OBD Drive Cycle.
    - The battery or PCM has been disconnected.
    - An OBD monitor failure had occurred prior to completion of an OBD Drive Cycle.
    - The PCM DTCs have been cleared as part of a service process.

    Note: The only way P1000 can be cleared (removed) from memory is when all of the OBD monitors have been successfully completed during normal vehicle operation.

    P1000 cannot be cleared from the PCM when: 1. The thermostat is stuck open and a DTC is not generated. 2. There is an open VSS circuit and a DTC is not generated. 3. If the vehicle has a Power Take Off (PTO), the circuit is shorted to VPWR or B+, or the PTO is ON during Self-test.

    The purpose of the Diagnostic Trouble Code DTC P1000 is to indicate that not all of the On Board Diagnostics OBD monitors have yet been successfully completed. You may also refer to the OBD Drive Cycle defined under the Powertrain Control/Emission Diagnosis Manual-Diagnostic Methods or the Owner's Manual.

    Remember: It is not necessary to remove P1000 from the Powertrain Control Module PCM by driving the vehicle.

    ===END PCM DTC P1000===

    ===PAM DTC None===
    Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

    Module: Parking Aid Module

    ===END PAM DTC None===

    ===RCM DTC None===
    Successful DTC reading, no error codes found

    Module: Restraint Control Module

    ===END RCM DTC None===
     
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    Three big issues:
    B1352, C1288 and C1998

    Worse case you need a new abs module, lighting control module and cluster.

    I would get the ford service manuals on DVD and do some homework. Probably look at the B1352 code first then see if you can replace the abs module without having to program it. Lastly if all that fails send the cluster out for repair. If you go for a new cluster it has to be married to the pcm - dealer only of course.

    Another option would be to get a donor Expy of the same year and swap over the needed parts.
     

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