Remote oil filters

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1955moose

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My question is with 2 extra quarts pumping around in there, will it stress the seals more. Is the stock oil pump strong enough to pump all that extra blood through it's arteries? And what about cold startup? Those filters are aiming south, those check valves really need to do their job on cold start. Is it better or worse, with the extra oil and filter. I guess the newer 3.5 motors don't have any of the oiling probs earlier 5.4 three valvers had. Well time will tell, if he can get fittings that don't leak.

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I don't think the actual volume of oil has anything to do with the pressure or even friction of pushing it through. Any restriction or friction from pumping resistance would be from whatever the smallest Channel it has to get pumped through provides. I think adding the system with more quarts of oil wouldn't be noticeable on a pressure or volume gauge but I could be wrong. I also assume they design it so it doesn't create any pressure loss.
And once the filters are full I would definitely always pre-fill them when changing them, but once they're full there's not going to be no air in the system so upon startup it's going to get full flow within probably half a second anyways which is just as good as any Factory setup. I just don't think that filtration is a concern for modern engines. You never take any engines apart or if hear of any babbitt on the bearing shells being contaminated with particles or being worn out from grit and debris. People either running low and spin bearings or occasionally head gaskets get coolant in there but usually that even gets flushed out and it's just fine. Most all the bearing wear I have seen in the past 30 years even to where some of the Babbitt is worn down to the Copper under layers is on turbocharged engines or other forced induction or engines run really hard where just the top shell has been pushed down so hard from the explosions of the piston and it starts to wear there first.
 

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You know I wonder how much longer motors from the 40's through late 50's would have lasted if they would have used a decent oil filter. A car I grew up with was a 1953 Pontiac wagon, 268 cid straight eight. This engine didn't use any oil filter at all. It used a shelf on the top of the oil pan, that collected dirt, sludge, debris. The owner was told leave it be, unless pulling the oil pan. Amazingly the motors topped 120k without a meltdown. They used to run a straight 30 weight oil, 20 wt if in cold weather. Ironically the 53 Chevy with the 235 6 cylinder, used a cannister filter, on top of the motor. Any quality filter would be nice back then. Back then they thought smoking cigarettes was good for you.

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My dad worked at a bus station back with 40s cars.
He said that by 50K they had to re-ring them because of low compression.
Of course with many of those straight 6s 8s even V8s you could pull the pistons out of the bottom of engine through oil pan. 49 Lincoln I had (not my oldest. I had a 1947 Mack E90 pumper truck fire engine with GMC 510 but that was OHV) lincoln had a bottom 2 inch removable part of oil pan if you weren't pulling whole pan. I guess this was the de-sludging pan.
The 30 wt non-detergent oil left SO much crap in the bottom.

He said once you re-ringed them, the 6 volt battery and starting system could nver turn them over so you hooked them to a bus with a chain and pulled and popped the clutch.
 

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I think many things combined helped but In order of importance..

Fuel injection improved the life of engines immensely. No washing of the cylinder walls with an overly rich air/fuel mix, little fuel in the oil etc.
Better machining tolerances which meant once run in quickly less blow by.
Tighter tolerances allowable due to better thermostat control and coolant properties.
Better oils, better materials science, it all adds up
 

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Why did so many manufactures use non detergent oil? Was it to cling better to bearings and cylinder walls. And what changes did they do to finally start using detergent oils? I can't even imagine having to bump start a newly reringed engine. What did you do if you had an Automatic? Actually they make an 8 volt battery for quite a few of those 6 volt systems. The long skinny 6 volt that Pontiac, and Buick used was available in 8 volts. I'm sure other items in the starting/ charging system had to be changed to cope.

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I jumper a 49 Lincoln Cosmopolitan (6V positive ground) with a 12 all the time.
Just pop a terminal off the batt so not putting juice into the 6V battery.
Spun like a banshee!!

Most those old autos would push start if you went fast enough.

I didn't realize they CHOSE ND oil. I though all oil was ND until like 53 or so then it became detergent SA oil or maybe SA came a little after but the S ratings came.

There is a thought than ND lets all crud and crap settle and in those cars stay at the bottom.
A detergent oil keeps it in suspension so in theory it could grind down on bearings more.
WAIT!! we are assuming they HAD bearings. LOL
Ford invented the bearing shell I believe.
It was a different world back pre 50 or so.

My dad same bus depot guy cut a piece of leather off his belt and soaked in oil for a rod bearing. I'd have to research that one but I think they had fiber style or basically leather inserts at one time.
Maybe I'm dreaming out loud.
 
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The more the merrier with filtration. This setup has the flow in parallel. I just did an oil change this weekend. Way easier and a whole lot cleaner than the original setup.
 

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With Ford V8 Flatheads, 1937 was the first year they started with the bearing shells. Chevy it was around 1948. Oiling and filtration were spotty at best in the early days. The lack of oil filters because of low oil pressure pumps and such, was a good reason why they chose the non detergent oils. You think your 24 valve expedition has oiling problems, can you imagine back in the day, no ethylene glycol coolant, crappy straight 20 weight waxy non detergent oil, 6 volt starters. Starting a 32 Ford sedan on a January Chicago morning must have been an ordeal.

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Hey Toby, if you’re concerned about the placement of the filters, my 97 had a single remote base in the same exact location. As long as I don’t follow a Raptor in the Baja 500, I should be OK with clearance. As far as your take on “no added benefit”, I’ve increased oil capacity and filtering capacity. More oil equals cooler oil temps (from the airflow conveniently provided by the openings by the tow hooks) which is a big plus. With the turbo rpm peaking at around 15000 under full throttle, that oil better be clean...
 
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