The beginning of the end for EcoBoost/Modular

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EDIT: INFO POSTED INCORRECT If what I read is true the start of the end for the EcoBoost and Modular V8 engines may begin on 11-17. From what I’ve read the new Mustang Mach-E 4 door SUV will be replacing the pony car we have come to know and love. The big hood rwd coupe is becoming a 4 door hatchback electric SUV. Gone are two big nameplates that power this car. 2.3 EcoBoost and 5.0 “Coyote” may be being retired for this segment. Kind of sad to see (if it’s the case).

I’m not against electrification, but to completely sh*t all over an American staple and nameplate....Jim Hackett, come on. Fords sales have further declined, credit has been decreased to junk status recently under your leadership. Ah well we will see how this plays out.
 
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I should have put a “?” in the title as it’s all here say on what’s happening as of now. Ford has not said the Mustang as we know it will be replaced nor it’s engines. But many auto mags think the new SUV Mustang nameplate will be the only Mustang as it would be weird to have two models. We will see.
 

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"I’m not against electrification,"

The rush to battery vehicles is perplexing in myriad of ways...Long recharge times, stationary nature of charging stations, negative environmental impacts of batteries and rare earth metals for electronics/motors, etc. are all hidden behind a smoke screen of eagerness to jump into the newest technology. Most areas of the county have some nature of natural disaster we live with that calls for quick evacuation. Disasters such as wildfire, tornado, hurricane, flood, etc. don't fit in really well with the reality of a battery going dead during evacuation. When a more reasonable electric vehicle system such as hydrogen, which is portable and requires less infrastructure investment becomes available, I will then look at electric vehicles as more than pie in the sky...
 
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I’m sure people tried to hold onto other “true American originals” like buggy whips and stage coaches. “Those damn loud motor engines! Why can’t people just be happy with their horse?” Lol.

My point is if technology comes, it comes. Maybe electric motors won’t be the answer, maybe they will, either way, we can’t stop technology from advancing and we will get over it and used to it when it happens. .

Almost no one had an iPhone/Android 7-8 years ago, now no one can live without it, lol.


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I’m sure people tried to hold onto other “true American originals” like buggy whips and stage coaches. “Those damn loud motor engines! Why can’t people just be happy with their horse?” Lol.

My point is if technology comes, it comes. Maybe electric motors won’t be the answer, maybe they will, either way, we can’t stop technology from advancing and we will get over it and used to it when it happens. .

Almost no one had an iPhone/Android 7-8 years ago, now no one can live without it, lol.


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Yea but come on, make a new model. Don’t take a pony car, and make it—not a car at all. A 4 door SUV electric is not a Mustang.
 
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Based on the insiders I have talked with the Mach-E is a completely different model, and will in NO-Way replace the existing Mustang. They are using the name to give it some street cred that it is performance oriented.

The Coyote Motor is not going anywhere. There is rumor that a hybrid variant is coming. The 2.3 is also not going anywhere, as it is a VERY good seller.

No doom and gloom needed.


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Well I am wrong. The media is wrong, I went to ford site and they set it straight. The new Mach E is not going to carry the Mustang nameplate and will not replace the GT with the 5.0 V8 nor the eco ones. The Mach-E just takes styling cues from Mustang.

It is good to see Ford fire out a fully electric to try it out don’t get me wrong. They can’t sit back forever. I just didn’t want to see a good model get tarnished.
 
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I’m sure people tried to hold onto other “true American originals” like buggy whips and stage coaches. “Those damn loud motor engines! Why can’t people just be happy with their horse?” Lol.

My point is if technology comes, it comes. Maybe electric motors won’t be the answer, maybe they will, either way, we can’t stop technology from advancing and we will get over it and used to it when it happens. .

Almost no one had an iPhone/Android 7-8 years ago, now no one can live without it, lol.


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I have a feeling you and I would disagree about a lot of things in life from this post but to each his own..right??
Now the Razor phone is coming back with retro albeit fugly keypad styling but the best of both worlds with bending flip screen and compactness and screen protection when folded! I hate the keypad look and this might be the deal breaker but if it works out and other follow I will greatly like having a shorter phone with a protected screen in my pocket.

The problem with some "technology" is it isn't always better. Society as a whole is a fickle, stupid, ass!
There is something else out there that drives SOME changes that is not society demands or desires--ie not consumer demand.
This gets into a much larger conspiracy theory debate about who or whatever you want to call "The powers that be". That's what I call it.
Something and certain someones are shaping the future and the present whether we know it or like it or not.

Consumer demand is not high or as far as a %, high for electric cars. Hybrids are more preferred as people do not like to be limited to what batteries currently provide.
There are "those people" who rationalize it and don't need any more than this or whatever etc because they continue to drink the kool-aid. If you shadowed them in their lives for a few weeks you would see they make sacrifices over having a gas car.
They don't do oil changes though!
It is always a give and take.

I used to say "Until you can have an electric car that can beat an Iroc Z-28 (not asking the world here) you can shove them!"
Well, the first Tesla roadster did that! But take a weekend trip to another state....see how that works for you. Especially back then.

I have been told that people dislike change. I thought that was only me and old curmudgeons. I see people embracing, loving, often looking for ways to change things....and I despise most of these people.
But every now and then, someone comes out with something that really makes things better or life better or -here it comes- better, stronger, faster....the damn Six Million Dollar Man invention.
I can get behind things that make like better or easier but as of yet, I don't see battery cars or battery lawnmowers doing that.

Battery drills and tools that came out in the 80s were also give and take but the advantage of no cord and being able to use them on the flay almost anywhere outweighed the loss of power and limited run-time.
As on yet, battery cars are not as good as battery drills as cars have always been portable with own power source.

It all boils down to batteries still suck in 2020!
Considering the advancements in other aspects of life in the past 100 or so years, batteries are still too big, too heavy, too expensive, too low capacity-WAY TOO LOW, and too short of lifespan.
That is what is holding us back on cars.

Think about it though. This world couldn't handle cars going from fuel and battery to NEEDING little to NO power source!!!
The world too much depends on it.
If we had a small fist sized completely safe nuclear, hydrogen (names synonymous with safety) or magic alien power source that powered car for years or its life....THE POWERS THAT BE would not let us have it.
Look at who all is dependent somehow on the mining, processing, refinery, fuel, manufacturing (batts), distributing, retail end sales....of power for our vehicles.

Looky here!! I just invented this "super self- charging battery" that will run your car (or even your furnace and ac---WHY stop there--YOUR whole house.....for 10 years....
I'd be dead in 4 days!
 

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Oh, but back to original response to post (because I was prob off topic of post to begin with),
I'm not sacrificing anything to go with new technology.
You can add features and benefits but NOT TAKE AWAY!
I'm not sure what they said about horses that they were losing. Traded one smell for another.
"How dare you make me have to put fuel in it all the time. My horse is ready whenever I am"

I don't see a trade off at all. I don't see a trade off like for electric cars vs internal combustion engines.
Why don't they make a wind up one.
You can wind yourself, or buy a battery pack to wind, or plug it in, or use a generator to wind...but the car itself stores it's own power but not a battery...could have a battery in the back to limp back home....wait it would wind you back up via gears with leverage so a 3:1 energy gain.
I would love to have an electric car just to carry a small inverter or 2 stroke generator in the trunk so when I ran it out of ga---@#, not gas but RANGE, I would open truck or hatch fire it up and plug it in for a few to get home!

I run every car to 0 miles to empty and haven't had a FORD run out before 0 yet.
Many go 10+.
Ran a 05 Saab out YESTERDAY.
Had 7 miles to go.
We had never pushed ahem I mean tested it....got to 4 and the fricken fracking molanky grub nubbing bastmonging bastazoid ran out!

No warning around corner or an stop or start sloshing. No feathering gas pedal to limp it along....I AM A MASTER AT THIS!!
Made it 30 ft mostly coasting from its first burble.

SO maybe Saabs suck. Maybe the tank has been off and someone bent the sending unit.
Anytime I do one of mine (which isn't that often---HA ha I know you were thinking it)
I bend the arm up a little so it will read a little bit lower than what it in there.
I NEED THAT CUSHION.

Procrastination is an ART FORM and I am a MASTER!

I often wish there was slot in the dash and you just slid a 20 in there every few days.
WAIT...gotta be tech savy..I guess it would be swipe a card or insert chip in first, or swipe phone by dash vent until it beeps.
Nah. It just seems fake without a paper bill going in the slot!
 

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Internal combustion, accept no substitute.

We spent over 100 years building and perfecting the system around gasoline...everything from distributing to taxes for roads. Now we want to abandon all that for electric? No thanks.

Not to mention a typical V8 engine has been shown to be more efficient per mile than any electric car.

Yeah I guess I’m one of those stubborn guys, so be it. If other people want to drive electric, fine. It’s the government shoving crap down our throats and causing the market to make my choice more expensive that makes me angry.

Oh and I only bring this up because it’s so common on electrics...I will NEVER own a self driving car. I draw the line at helping me park or backup a trailer. (and even then, I don’t like to use those systems because that’s how you get lazy or lose your skill) but damnit, I drive the car, the car doesn’t drive me.

And for what it’s worth...I’m not some antique from the olden days, I’m 30...a pure millennial. (Circa 1988) But I grew up learning some ways of the old school...and a lot of it did and still does help to know and practice.
 
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