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Keep in mind that I have very little experience with programming or Forscan.

With the 84 from the spreadsheet.
8=bits 1000. 1= autofold configured, 0=X-motor normal, 0=y-motor normal, 0=x-sensor normal
4=bits 0100. 0=y sensor normal, 1=Lincoln autofold new strategy, 0=standard mirrors, 0=no information listed

I think the goal was to enable the autofold with the 8 from 84. For both of your originals C and D, they already enable the autofold, so I would think you would leave those as C and D.

I think the goal was to enable the Lincoln new strategy with the 4 from 84. Both of your originals do not have the Lincoln auto fold new strategy bit set high since they have 8's in this position.

You could try CC and DC. This leaves everything the same relative to the motor and sensor directions. It would also leave the autofold enabled. Going to the C would change the lincoln autofold to new strategy and leave the other settings the same. Below may be something to try.

740-03-01 - DDM - BCC087
741-03-01 - PDM - BDC089

Again I will stress that I have little experience with Forscan, so if you decide to proceed, please double check what I wrote and be sure that you are comfortable with it. Remember there is always a risk of bricking your system.
 

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Thank you, I'm hoping someone on the Forscan forum will also respond, maybe get a quorum before I try something. Like you, I have limited experience with it as well, as this is my first Ford.
 

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Keep in mind that I have very little experience with programming or Forscan.

With the 84 from the spreadsheet.
8=bits 1000. 1= autofold configured, 0=X-motor normal, 0=y-motor normal, 0=x-sensor normal
4=bits 0100. 0=y sensor normal, 1=Lincoln autofold new strategy, 0=standard mirrors, 0=no information listed

I think the goal was to enable the autofold with the 8 from 84. For both of your originals C and D, they already enable the autofold, so I would think you would leave those as C and D.

I think the goal was to enable the Lincoln new strategy with the 4 from 84. Both of your originals do not have the Lincoln auto fold new strategy bit set high since they have 8's in this position.

You could try CC and DC. This leaves everything the same relative to the motor and sensor directions. It would also leave the autofold enabled. Going to the C would change the lincoln autofold to new strategy and leave the other settings the same. Below may be something to try.

740-03-01 - DDM - BCC087
741-03-01 - PDM - BDC089

Again I will stress that I have little experience with Forscan, so if you decide to proceed, please double check what I wrote and be sure that you are comfortable with it. Remember there is always a risk of bricking your system.
But actually, the more I look at this, my Y Axis is fine while configured, it's just left to right movement that's opposite for some reason. So wouldn't it just be the following to only inverse X? But then the question is what about sensor direction, if the X axis motor direction is inverse, does the sensor have to be as well? I would think so.

Should I just be using "D4" instead of "84" for both PDM and DDM?

Using the charts in the F150 spreadsheet, that would mean autofold configured, with xmd inverse, ymd normal, and x sensor inverse, ysd normal, LAF, new strategy, with trailer tow mirror, standard mirror style. Just thinking out loud, but again I'll also wait to hear back on the forscan forums.
 

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But actually, the more I look at this, my Y Axis is fine while configured, it's just left to right movement that's opposite for some reason. So wouldn't it just be the following to only inverse X? But then the question is what about sensor direction, if the X axis motor direction is inverse, does the sensor have to be as well? I would think so.

Should I just be using "D4" instead of "84" for both PDM and DDM?

Using the charts in the F150 spreadsheet, that would mean autofold configured, with xmd inverse, ymd normal, and x sensor inverse, ysd normal, LAF, new strategy, with trailer tow mirror, standard mirror style. Just thinking out loud, but again I'll also wait to hear back on the forscan forums.

We are taking different approaches, and I'm not sure which is correct.

Another data point would be to get the as built for the PDM and DDM for an F150 before the modification. That would let us know which bits they are changing.
 

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Thanks, I'll give it a few days to see if anyone responds on Forscan. I'd rather not try things right now, seems like a bad time to screw up something on a vehicle.
 

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I’m going to jump in and say I did the Lincoln mirrors on mine last month and had the same issues. The clicking came back (have had the tsb done) and the buttons were reversed as well. Switched back to the original settings and everything is back to good. Not worth messing with for me.

Maybe if I remember next time I’m at my MIL’s, I’ll see what her Navigator’s as built settings are.
 

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Thanks, I'll give it a few days to see if anyone responds on Forscan. I'd rather not try things right now, seems like a bad time to screw up something on a vehicle.

I found a used 2019 F150 Lariat online. According to the sales documentation, it had powerfold mirrors. I used the VIN to pull the as built.

740-03-01 A000 EB
741-03-01 A000 EC

This means for them to go from 00 to 84, They only changed the autofold to configured and Lincoln mirrors to New strategy.

When you went from C8 to 84, you would have changed your x motor direction and y sensor direction along with setting the Lincoln fold to new strategy. Your autofold was already set to configured.

You noticed the x motor direction change. This is why the left/right would have worked in reverse. The Y sensor being backwards wouldn’t have been noticeable while adjusting with the switch. Both of them would have caused the clicking mirror issue while recalling position.
 

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I’m going to jump in and say I did the Lincoln mirrors on mine last month and had the same issues. The clicking came back (have had the tsb done) and the buttons were reversed as well. Switched back to the original settings and everything is back to good. Not worth messing with for me.

Maybe if I remember next time I’m at my MIL’s, I’ll see what her Navigator’s as built settings are.

Thank you, I'm not the only one.
 

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Okay, quick update for everyone, including @Bow512

I haven't clarified why there's confusion yet, but I've stumped the Forscan a little. to be clear, after a week with no response in their forums, I emailed the team directly and they responded. Effectively, they aren't sure where the "x84x" settings come from. I responded with a link to the F150 spreadsheet I think most of us have been using. Haven't heard back yet. But regardless, they responded with a link for a new version of Forscan that now includes a more automatic set of routines, one of which is the lincoln fold settings.

To my astonishment, so far it seems to have worked fine without the dreaded clicking issue (when using the memory settings), and without having flip flopped right and left controls. So here's what they said:

Use this version - http://forscan.org/download/FORScanSetup2.3.32.test20200405.exe
And do not use the as-built configuration windows for PDM/DDM. Use the non-as-built configs, in which you should see a window similar to this:

forscan.png

Make sure you do this for both PDM and DDM, but use the lincoln auto fold routine, and simply enable it.

This so far has seemed to work for me, and to be frank, the values for the fields after I ran this were:
DDM - 740-03-01: BCC0 C7
DDM - 740-12-01: FC56

PDM - 741-03-01: BDC0 C9
PDM - 741-12-01: FC57

****Update****

I did hear back from the folks at Forscan, and given the global issues right now, I'm impressed with their responses. Couple things to note from them:
- First and foremost, they looked over the F150 spreadsheet most of us use, and its important to note that while many of the options are the same between that platform and the 4th Gen Expy, many of the values in the spreadsheet mean different things. They gave several examples and mirrors being one of them.

- They further recommended that using the ABD configuration is highly un-recommended, they truly want folks using the non-as-built modules, as those are pre-tested for specific vehicle profiles.
 
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