6 month review, 18 Navigator VS 18 Expedition.

Mac Attack · Jan 29, 2021

To get my ~6300 lb vehicle to do the 1/4 mile in 12.5 seconds, it's got to be around 550+ crank HP. I'm good with the balance of power and exhaust noise the engineers did. It's extremely difficult to make a turbo v6 sound pleasing in my opinion and the best you can do is just muffle it and still flow well.

Some company makes an exhaust cutout for the Raptor that goes between the v6 bank exhaust pipes upstream of the muffler if you're looking for more noise.

carymccarr · Jan 29, 2021

Mac Attack said:
To get my ~6300 lb vehicle to do the 1/4 mile in 12.5 seconds, it's got to be around 550+ crank HP. I'm good with the balance of power and exhaust noise the engineers did. It's extremely difficult to make a turbo v6 sound pleasing in my opinion and the best you can do is just muffle it and still flow well.

Some company makes an exhaust cutout for the Raptor that goes between the v6 bank exhaust pipes upstream of the muffler if you're looking for more noise.

Agreed. It’s why I live with the quiet and haven’t gone aftermarket exhaust. Accentuating a turbo 6 doesn’t create an ideal sound IMO

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Mac Attack · Jan 29, 2021

carymccarr said:
Agreed. It’s why I live with the quiet and haven’t gone aftermarket exhaust. Accentuating a turbo 6 doesn’t create an ideal sound IMO

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Videos may not be completely realistic, but here is an option if interested
https://www.fordraptorforum.com/threads/velocity-ap-valvetronic-exhaust.76095/

I haven't compared the exhaust layouts between the two,, but it might ve adaptable for the Lincoln.. Interesting to note he thought there was a loss of power with it open. Probably needs a custom tune for that scenario to take advantage of the cutout.

Sorry for going off-topic.....

NyackRob79 · Jan 29, 2021

TheDoug said:
Get a tune for the expy and then you can smoke the navigator

And in doing so, void your powertrain and drivetrain warranty for those few seconds of extra thrill. Great advice.

TheDoug · Jan 29, 2021

gordonf238 said:
And in doing so, void your powertrain and drivetrain warranty for those few seconds of extra thrill. Great advice.

The factory warranty issue is a concern... the voiding of it has been debated endlessly so I will not get into that but it's also why I purchased an additional warranty with my tune.

Mac Attack · Jan 29, 2021

I do use some Expedition parts on my Navigator....

There's no mudflaps available, and the running boards and rocker panels were getting beat up, so I modified Weathertech flaps to fit.

The fronts just took some minor grinding with a dremel, while the rears were a bit more involved. I think I drilled some holes in the felt-like wheel liners and used some bolts for additional reinforcement. Also, you can see from the rear of the mudflaps that there is a recess for the Expedition bodywork that the Navigator doesn't have. 99% of folks probably wouldn't notice it until you point it out. I also trimmed about 1.5 inches off the rear mudflaps to match the front height. There was a lot of dremeling done to the rears too, but I don't exactly remember - It was a year ago....

dlcorbett · Jan 29, 2021

Mac Attack said:
Thanks. Interesting comparison @Deadman

I was curious about how the Ford B&O stereo compared to the Revel, as I think the Revel lacks low bass. Otherwise, volume, clarity and imaging is awesome for the Revel.

I never got to test a nav with the revel2 set up. The base revel has great clarity, but I actually liked the b&o more in the expy because the revel 1 has no power lacks bass as well. Turning it to 20 was less than 13 on the expy. But I still think the expy b&o is one of the better sound systems I've heard so what do I know lol.

Deadman · Jan 29, 2021

Mac Attack said:
Thanks @carymccarr for asking about the headrest adjustability, but I have the seats adjusted like @Deadman and it's still annoying. For longer drives I have a blue beanbag neck pillow for plane trips that I can wrap below the headrest. It cushions my neck and I figure it won't impact the headrest function in the event of a collision.

Funny you mention about the exhaust. It's only loud the first minute after startup, but I can see how that wouldn't allow you to leave the home discreetly. I think on the Raptor forum they are talking about using the quieter Lincoln center muffler to tame their exhaust noise down. Yes, it's another curious choice Lincoln engineers made for a luxury vehicle, but I'm sure it has to do with cold start emissions yet keeping a free flow design for that power... and other cost/design constraints.

Exactly, on start up, it barks. I'm not a V6 guy, so hearing ANY of that barf sound makes me angry! lol. I've got the muffler s hacked off most all of my other V8's, but I sure hate the gross sound that ecoboost makes. I just want it silent and not advertise that its a baby V6! lol. Its still at least 5X louder than my expedition on start up. My expedition starts up quietly, this thing just snarls. Not the end of the world, but when you sit in the back seat, you can actually hear the racket from the main muffler thru the floor when you are on the pedal. I'm used to hearing the noise from the tailpipe, not thru the muffler casing itself into the cabin.

Deadman · Jan 29, 2021

carymccarr said:
I was in my Navi this am and had to almost painfully crane my neck backwards to even touch the headrest. Must just be how we all have the seats setup differently.

The x7’s headrest seems really far forward to me by comparison.

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For what its worth, I have a long neck..... Might affect the headrest situation as well.

Deadman · Jan 29, 2021

dlcorbett said:
I never got to test a nav with the revel2 set up. The base revel has great clarity, but I actually liked the b&o more in the expy because the revel 1 has no power lacks bass as well. Turning it to 20 was less than 13 on the expy. But I still think the expy b&o is one of the better sound systems I've heard so what do I know lol.

I am used to the B&O in my Expedition, so I don't notice any real sound difference going to the Lincoln, but It's very possibly better and I didn't really pay attention......

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