Anyone try these on their Expy?

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https://www.etrailer.com/Vehicle-Suspension/Ford/Expedition/2017/CSS-1168.html?VehicleID=20175001928
Coil SumoSprings Custom Helper Springs for Coil Spring Suspension - Front or Rear Axle. Wondering if these would help sag and bounce with trailer?

I installed them on my '11 EL and wished I had sooner. Less body roll, more absorption, and raised vehicle half an inch. I got them to help the rear a little when towing but like what they did to the overall ride. Easy to install too though I did remove the wheels even though it says you don't need to.
 

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I installed them on my '11 EL and wished I had sooner. Less body roll, more absorption, and raised vehicle half an inch. I got them to help the rear a little when towing but like what they did to the overall ride. Easy to install too though I did remove the wheels even though it says you don't need to.
But doesn't it ride rougher now?
 

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I tow a 6300lb travel trailer that puts about 1000 lb on the tongue of my 2017 EL. I use a 1000lb WDH. I had the SumoSprings on my stock rear springs/shocks, but it was still too bouncy. I wanted something adjustable (tow vs. street vs. off-road) so I went with the Rancho Quick Lift Loaded struts in the rear (p/n RS999926 + RS999941) and added SumoSprings to those too. Unfortunately, I had to buy another set of SumoSprings as the Rancho spring coils were closer together (1.25" vs 1.68" for stock springs). Towing is much nicer in all but the wallowy-est roads (urban Los Angeles freeways). Towing on wide open roads/countrysides, curvy mountain roads, or long desert highways are all much improved.

The ride with the SumoSprings (and Ranchos) is not rougher. You can compensate for harshness (noise) with tire pressures - I typically over-inflate my LR E truck tires to 60+ psi for better handling; 45-ish yields a much plusher and quieter ride. But "roughness" (over-spring) is not present with the stiffer Ranchos and SumoSprings unless the Rancho shocks are cranked up to 9/9 which I only use for towing. It could be that I'm biased towards sporty car suspension (stiff unibody + taught suspension). On the street, I keep the shocks at 7/9. For off-road anywhere between 3/9 to 6/9, depending on the terrain and the tires I'm running.

At this point I only wish I had gone with the Ranchos all around, but I had already invested in Bilstein 6112's which I now regret (too underdamped for the Expedition on undulating highways and roads with dips).

BTW, I do also have a upgraded rear sway bar (Hellwig) which helps with handling and lateral stability (crosswinds) when towing.

I do wish there were a King or Fox kit available for the rear of our Expeditions. I've only seen F-150 kits that we could use for our front suspension.
 
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I tow a 6300lb travel trailer that puts about 1000 lb on the tongue of my 2017 EL. I use a 1000lb WDH. I had the SumoSprings on my stock rear springs/shocks, but it was still too bouncy. I wanted something adjustable (tow vs. street vs. off-road) so I went with the Rancho Quick Lift Loaded struts in the rear (p/n RS999926 + RS999941) and added SumoSprings to those too. Unfortunately, I had to buy another set of SumoSprings as the Rancho spring coils were closer together (1.25" vs 1.68" for stock springs). Towing is much nicer in all but the wallowy-est roads (urban Los Angeles freeways). Towing on wide open roads/countrysides, curvy mountain roads, or long desert highways are all much improved.

The ride with the SumoSprings (and Ranchos) is not rougher. You can compensate for harshness (noise) with tire pressures - I typically over-inflate my LR E truck tires to 60+ psi for better handling; 45-ish yields a much plusher and quieter ride. But "roughness" (over-spring) is not present with the stiffer Ranchos and SumoSprings unless the Rancho shocks are cranked up to 9/9 which I only use for towing. It could be that I'm biased towards sporty car suspension (stiff unibody + taught suspension). On the street, I keep the shocks at 7/9. For off-road anywhere between 3/9 to 6/9, depending on the terrain and the tires I'm running.

At this point I only wish I had gone with the Ranchos all around, but I had already invested in Bilstein 6112's which I now regret (too underdamped for the Expedition on undulating highways and roads with dips).

BTW, I do also have a upgraded rear sway bar (Hellwig) which helps with handling and lateral stability (crosswinds) when towing.

I do wish there were a King or Fox kit available for the rear of our Expeditions. I've only seen F-150 kits that we could use for our front suspension.
How much was the whole set up? I didn’t really want to have to reinvent the wheel but I am towing boat with swing away tongue. I am not sure I can even do a wd hitch with that. Would just stiffer springs shocks do it? I spoke to others about this and they claimed they just add more stress to rest of your springs.
 
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I installed them on my '11 EL and wished I had sooner. Less body roll, more absorption, and raised vehicle half an inch. I got them to help the rear a little when towing but like what they did to the overall ride. Easy to install too though I did remove the wheels even though it says you don't need to.
After discussing with others this seems like a bandaid. I wish there was more available for expy
 

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How much was the whole set up? I didn’t really want to have to reinvent the wheel but I am towing boat with swing away tongue. I am not sure I can even do a wd hitch with that. Would just stiffer springs shocks do it? I spoke to others about this and they claimed they just add more stress to rest of your springs.

~$350-450 for the Ranchos + ~$150 for SumoSprings
Rancho RS999926 Quick Lift Loaded Strut (Right Rear) $155-200 + tax
Rancho RS999941 Quick Lift Loaded Strut (Left Rear) $155-200 + tax
CSS-1125 | Coil SumoSprings for various applications | 1.25 inch inner wall height $140 + tax
Hellwig 7688 Rear Sway Bar $250 ish

Do you know what the tongue weight of your boat trailer is? If it's more than 500-600lb, you should try to make a WDH work. Looks like it can be done according to the Googles. If it's right around 500-600lb (or less), you don't need the WDH. Either way, I would highly recommend the Ranchos due mostly to the adjustable damping.

Oscillation forces will increase when you tow due to the increased weight on the axle, requiring more damping. Increased damping will help with the bounce, but it won't necessarily help with sag or bottoming out. That's where SumoSprings could help, albeit not a huge amount. Better than nothing. Yes, it will put more dynamic load on the other spring coils, but that's just the springs doing their jobs. If they ever wear down and sag excessive (not hugely likely), springs are always replaceable. Heck At $300-400 for the set, you can replace the entire kit (spring + shock) every few years and chalk it up to a cost of towing.
 
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In my old days we used to jack up the rears by stuffing a sneaker between the coils. Now someone's figured out a way to charge $169 for this. Tie-wraps hadn't been invented yet so from time to time we'd loose a sneaker when going over a rough bump.
 
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