Expedition vs Navigator

Deadman · Apr 8, 2021

Has anyone ever really seen what the Black Label is advertised to have additional? I know all the additional dealer features, but I'm not sure on the actual features on the car.
It is awesome tho with the BL as EVERYTIME it goes in they wash and wax it, vacuums it, detail the entire interior, etc. My wife just likes taking it in for random crap so it comes home spotless in the winter! lol

We found this one locally used, so we never compared the Reserve or anything. I knew this had everything and the Tow Package and it had the exact interior my wife wanted, so it was a lucky find to grab it locally.

Calidad · Apr 8, 2021

Going from tan interiors to black reminds me how much dust dirt and scratches black interiors show. Kinda wish I had kept looking for the light interior.

dlcorbett · Apr 8, 2021

Deadman said:
Has anyone ever really seen what the Black Label is advertised to have additional? I know all the additional dealer features, but I'm not sure on the actual features on the car.
It is awesome tho with the BL as EVERYTIME it goes in they wash and wax it, vacuums it, detail the entire interior, etc. My wife just likes taking it in for random crap so it comes home spotless in the winter! lol

We found this one locally used, so we never compared the Reserve or anything. I knew this had everything and the Tow Package and it had the exact interior my wife wanted, so it was a lucky find to grab it locally.

The bl is mainly just cosmetic compared to the reserve, but the interior cosmetics are very extensive. As far as features, nothing on the bl is available that cannot be had on a fully loaded reserve.

Randy Schmidt · Apr 9, 2021

Deadman said:
Has anyone ever really seen what the Black Label is advertised to have additional? I know all the additional dealer features, but I'm not sure on the actual features on the car.
It is awesome tho with the BL as EVERYTIME it goes in they wash and wax it, vacuums it, detail the entire interior, etc. My wife just likes taking it in for random crap so it comes home spotless in the winter! lol

We found this one locally used, so we never compared the Reserve or anything. I knew this had everything and the Tow Package and it had the exact interior my wife wanted, so it was a lucky find to grab it locally.

What color is yours?

Expedition Dave · Apr 9, 2021

As far as ride goes, I would imagine the MAX rides better due to it's longer wheelbase. Things like that can be significant in terms of things. But ultra low profile tires on big trucks have always been a no-no for me b/c of how harsh they ride. They look cool on the lowered street scene cruisers.

YMMV

Deadman · Apr 9, 2021

Randy Schmidt said:
What color is yours?

White tricoat just like my Expedition.

Its crazy that you can buy a Ford with the same color options as the Lincoln. Cadillac doesn't share their white with the Yukons, so to get the white Tri coat you always had to buy the Cadddy instead of the GMC. (not sure on the 21+ now tho)

Deadman · Apr 9, 2021

Randy Schmidt said:
What color is yours?

Twins

Mac Attack · Apr 9, 2021

dlcorbett said:
When the time comes, the wife and I want to compare thenm side by side so we can decide which one would be a better purchase. From what I felt, the nav seems to have a smoother and quieter ride in most conditions, but the expy was far easier to use due to its buttons and control locations. I feel like the reserve and bl trims have a slightly different suspension tune because I see a lot of bl owners complain about the ride but those with reserve or select trims don't complain nearly as much.

I test drove a reserve with the same wheels/tires as my BL and the ride was the same.

I've taken my cold tire pressures down from 39 psi to 32 psi (no cargo or towing) and there was negligible improvement in comfort.

Hopefully my 20" wheels and Michelin tires will help.

dlcorbett · Apr 9, 2021

Mac Attack said:
I test drove a reserve with the same wheels/tires as my BL and the ride was the same.

I've taken my cold tire pressures down from 39 psi to 32 psi (no cargo or towing) and there was negligible improvement in comfort.

Hopefully my 20" wheels and Michelin tires will help.

That should work. Are you gettin the stock nav 20s or aftermarket? Its crazy why ford wouldn't improve on such a good foundation. My 09 nav had a really good ride, and we drove a 15 nav l with 20s and it was one of the smoothest cars I've driven. Both nav selects, 18 and 20, were also up there in ride smoothness. My wife said the 20 nav was better riding than the 21 yukon xl denali as well. Hopefully, the 22s improve on ride, which I'm sure they will. The 21 f150 has a Creamsicle ride, leaf springs notwithstanding.

Calidad · Apr 9, 2021

dlcorbett said:
That should work. Are you gettin the stock nav 20s or aftermarket? Its crazy why ford wouldn't improve on such a good foundation. My 09 nav had a really good ride, and we drove a 15 nav l with 20s and it was one of the smoothest cars I've driven. Both nav selects, 18 and 20, were also up there in ride smoothness. My wife said the 20 nav was better riding than the 21 yukon xl denali as well. Hopefully, the 22s improve on ride, which I'm sure they will. The 21 f150 has a Creamsicle ride, leaf springs notwithstanding.

I think the 22’s sharpen road feel / to steering feel slightly but ride quality is still pretty smooth. I have 22’s on the ccd Platinum. The Navi might be tuned slightly different but It seemed very close to the Platinum I bought.
I thought I would swap to 20’s but so far the 22’s have been pretty good. Getting more durable tires on the 22’s might impact ride quality but I’m going to try a set of BFG Advantage Sports LT tire see how it rides. Go from there.

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