duneslider
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I haven't seen one in person but in the pictures I have been thinking the Wagoneer and the Tahoe look really similar
Traded the Navigator and couldn't be happier!
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Deadman
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They do, but the grand wagoneer is sooo gross looking.
@Deadman - So wifey and I drove two jeep gcls over the past month, and we also got to drive the new mdx. I must say, the gcl is a nice ride, but dang they expensive, to the point the value proposition just isn't there. I actually preferred the drive of the jeep to the acura, but wifey thought otherwise. However we both agreed the els system was better than the Macintosh. It felt a lil roomier too. The jeep looks better inside and out though. I'm def looking forward to driving a wagoneer. For reference, the jeeps we drove were both overlands, one with the luxury pkg. One was 69k, the other 71k but the lux pkg adds way more than 2k worth of options compared to the other. The mdx was a base with premium and tech pkgs. The acura had more features than the overland without the lux pkg. People on guam must agree, acura can't keep mdxs including the one we drove, but all jeeps are still there months after arriving.
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The Summitt Reserve with HEMI was not cheap! Its nice, but honestly I've only ridden in it once or twice. I like it, but I don't know much about it. Wife loves it so far, so I guess that's all that matters.
Supposedly none of the GCL's arrived at dealers until like a month or so ago, so thats why they are all there now. Pls lots of people are waiting on the Hemi and 98% of them have that wimpy V6 in them, its an absolute turd.
Supposedly none of the GCL's arrived at dealers until like a month or so ago, so thats why they are all there now. Pls lots of people are waiting on the Hemi and 98% of them have that wimpy V6 in them, its an absolute turd.
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It helps to do some research when dropping that kind of coin on a vehicle. Black Labels come all inclusive, including the heavy duty tow package which uses stiffer rear springs for the increased tongue weight. Thus, the stupid harsh ride.
Frankly, stupid move on Lincoln’s part as no one driving a Black Label buys it to tow their 10,000lb boat with it. Black Labels are for ultimate passenger comfort.
I opted for 2022 Reserve, which includes road preview. A system that scans bumps and dips in the road in front and adapts magnetic dampers in real time to react accordingly.
And I made sure to avoid the HD Tow Package.
If you can afford a 10,000lb boat and a Black Label, you can afford to buy a used F-250 to tow it with those 5-6 times a year I figure.
I wouldn’t compare a Navi to a Jeep. Just bad taste.
Idk, the interior of the gcl in summit trim can rival an aviator reserve and Im sure it destroys xt6 interior. It really is that nice inside.
Sorry but that's horse crap. My black label L rides smooth as silk on most roads. Now I will admit if you have never driven an Escalade or RR or GLS on 21-22" rims you will notice some additional harshness over bad bumps but that just the rims and it's on every platform. In addition to that I have seen hundreds of reviews and NOT ONE SINGLE TIME did they say the Navi ride was stupid harsh., they tend to say the exact opposite...
I have a 2022 Reserve with the heavy duty tow package on order. I added HDTP just in case. I don’t even have a trailer currently. Any truth to the package making a stiffer ride?
When I look up the Lincoln tow guide, I don’t see any difference in tongue weight for cars with the package vs without.
https://www.fleet.ford.com/content/...et/towing-guides/2021_Lincoln_TowingGuide.pdf
When I look up the Lincoln tow guide, I don’t see any difference in tongue weight for cars with the package vs without.
https://www.fleet.ford.com/content/...et/towing-guides/2021_Lincoln_TowingGuide.pdf
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IN OPS case, he actually was comparing his bl that he traded to his expy ltd of the same year and said his ride comfort issues weren't in the expy and the lincoln dealer couldn't figure it out. I havent been in the gls or x7, or the escalade with air springs, but all navs I've driven have been better than the new gms with just the mrc and coils and qx80. I will say also, the gcl on air springs rides very well, better than the current nav.
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