2019 Exp Max vs Suburban

From what I have seen on that Suburban HD that they offer to the govt contracts, is it has a great payload capacity (4400#) but the tow rating is dismal, like really low (3000#).

That seems oddly low... like less than my wife's rx350 if I remember correctly lol.

duneslider said:

I just don't see Toyota coming out with a Suburban or Max size suv. I am sure a redesign on the Sequoia will be nice but it will be too small for the Suburban/Max users. I actually liked the Sequoia but it just didn't give the cargo space I needed.

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From everything I’ve read, there won’t be a Sequoia “Max.” Sharing the same frame as the Tundra doesn’t allow it enough wheel base to add another 12”+ of cargo space.

I’d buy a Sequoia Max in a heartbeat, but since it’s not happening, it’s Suburban or Expedition Max and my wife scratched the Suburban off the list when she saw there wasn’t headrests for the middle seats in the 2nd or 3rd row. I don’t mind though because there’s plenty of other reasons I don’t like the Suburban (Massive c-pillar, push button shifter, uncomfortable 3rd row, etc.)

Saw a Jeep wagoneer at a local dealer this evening. Ugly imo but a Grand Wagoneer will compare to a Max/Suburban right?

StephenPT said:

my wife scratched the Suburban off the list when she saw there wasn’t headrests for the middle seats in the 2nd or 3rd row....

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this line above was the primary reason the GM line flunked for me. I find it inconceivable from a passenger safety standpoint that this is omitted. It takes a small accident from the rear to have a relatively intact truck but potentially significant to fatal injury from whiplash on the passenger in that seat. While I acknowledge it does not happed often, I would not want it happening to my passenger/family/friend

I don't know if the 15-20s are better but the interiors on the 07-14 GMs are awful. I test drove over 20 and all but 1 had cracked dash and many rattles. I bought a Navi and priced an engine replacement into my cost forecast...

sjwelds said:

Saw a Jeep wagoneer at a local dealer this evening. Ugly imo but a Grand Wagoneer will compare to a Max/Suburban right?

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No...grand wagoneer is the luxury variant of the wagoneer(escalade fighter). The lwb wagoneer is due to be released 2022 as a 2023 model.

StephenPT said:

From everything I’ve read, there won’t be a Sequoia “Max.” Sharing the same frame as the Tundra doesn’t allow it enough wheel base to add another 12”+ of cargo space.

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Do you mean it won't be long enough if it shares the tundra frame? If it shares the same frame as the tundra it would be longer, crew trucks with 5.5' bed are significantly longer than their counterpart suvs. For example the non max expedition is the exact same overall length and wheelbase as a single cab short bed f150... hence the fantastic turning radius on thr full size suvs compared to needing a parking lot to uturn a crew can full size. I don't know the exact numbers but I can say for certainty that the suburban and expedition max are still shorter wheelbase than any full size cab and bed configuration with the exception of the single cab models.

StephenPT said:

...my wife scratched the Suburban off the list when she saw there wasn’t headrests for the middle seats in the 2nd or 3rd row. I don’t mind though because there’s plenty of other reasons I don’t like the Suburban (Massive c-pillar, push button shifter, uncomfortable 3rd row, etc.)

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maxlim2022 said:

this line above was the primary reason the GM line flunked for me. I find it inconceivable from a passenger safety standpoint that this is omitted. It takes a small accident from the rear to have a relatively intact truck but potentially significant to fatal injury from whiplash on the passenger in that seat. While I acknowledge it does not happed often, I would not want it happening to my passenger/family/friend

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This was a big issue for me as well. I had an Acadia before the Expy and it lacked a middle headrest in the third row (I had captain's chairs in the 2nd). I couldn't wrap my head around that decision. If they cut such an obvious corner with safety, were there other missing safety features? I avoided using that seat as much as possible.

StephenPT said:

From everything I’ve read, there won’t be a Sequoia “Max.” Sharing the same frame as the Tundra doesn’t allow it enough wheel base to add another 12”+ of cargo space.

I’d buy a Sequoia Max in a heartbeat, but since it’s not happening, it’s Suburban or Expedition Max and my wife scratched the Suburban off the list when she saw there wasn’t headrests for the middle seats in the 2nd or 3rd row. I don’t mind though because there’s plenty of other reasons I don’t like the Suburban (Massive c-pillar, push button shifter, uncomfortable 3rd row, etc.)

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Agree that it's unlikely that the Sequoia will be offered in 2 separate wheel bases. However, the Tundra is offered this year in a crew cab with 6.5' box, which is a longer wheelbase than was offered on the prior generation. Maybe there's still a chance for a Sequoia Max.