Safety Recall 22S36 - Certain 2021 Model Year Expedition and Lincoln Navigator Vehicles - Underhood Fire

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mrmustang

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Bill:

All correct, then add to it that:

1) The subject vechicles have been completely destroyed. Consider the forensics of just electrical connections: House fires that are started at electrical connections or appliances will normally have several feet of separation between discrete suspect appliances and/or connections to be investigated. Under the hood of any modern vehicle, the separation is millimeters. There are thousands of suspect connections and devices, that are all scorched and melted together. This doesn't make the task impossible, just more challenging.

2) Ford's access to suspect vehicles is usually mired in legal turmoil while the burned remains are left to corrode in a salvage yard or impound lot. Frequently the NTSB and NHTSA have first access to the vehicles after the attorneys and local fire investigation authorities. The people assigned from those various organizations have neither the expertise, knowledge, common sense or basic intelligence to know where to start, not to mention the damage to the forensic process that they do either intentionally or unintentionally to the involved vehicles long before Ford is allowed to review the vehicles. Having a vehicle experience the thermal event while being operated by a Ford Employee, at a Ford facility, or at a Dealership constitute a lucky break for all involved because it normally speeds the process by months to years.

In fact, the time that it took for Ford to get custody of the first vehicle(s) probably explains the lag between these specific events and the official notice to customers of the suspected problem.

Just saying.
Robert,

Agree 100%, having once been a successful body shop owner, and having had vehicles awaiting "further investigation" stuck in the back corner of my high security holding lot (IE: tall fence, lots of barbed wire, cameras) for weeks or months at a time (Google "Chevy Impala + plastic intake fire" ), I have no doubt that the lag in time was not caused by Ford, but by the other parties involved, all looking to place liability on anyone but their own bottom line.

Bill
 

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Ford says that there have been 16 fires so far. Yes, that is a very small percentage of the total built. And also why it's difficult to determine the root cause.
And 14 of the 16 were rental company vehicles. Seems like that has to have some relevance..
 

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And 14 of the 16 were rental company vehicles. Seems like that has to have some relevance..
Yes, that's really strange. Regardless, Ford needs to come up with a solution. I feel that they may have a clue but aren't putting it out there yet until they have a fix. My bet is that it's going to be costly. Something that involves quite a bit of labor to address.
 

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We found out about this on 5/19/22 and parked the truck outside. 30 minutes later a hail storm with ping pong ball size hail came through! FML.

I had this same worry as we were about to have such a wet spring storm. Many trees were falling in our neighborhood. I had hope my car wouldn't be damaged by one and luckily it didn't. I suppose insurance would cover it either way but I wondered if there would be more liability assigned to Ford just for the notion of making the claim to park our vehicles outside. Mine isn't in the date range identified but until I know more I am going to act like it is. Sorry about your luck, hail is a PITA.
 

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And 14 of the 16 were rental company vehicles. Seems like that has to have some relevance..
14 of 16 as rental units tends to point to low content, think XL, XLT, 2WD, small dash screens, etc. being the common denominator. Could also point to unique behaviors such as frequent car washing, unit turned off with windshield wipers on, frequent E-brake usage, maximum oil change intervals...
 

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14 of 16 as rental units tends to point to low content, think XL, XLT, 2WD, small dash screens, etc. being the common denominator. Could also point to unique behaviors such as frequent car washing, unit turned off with windshield wipers on, frequent E-brake usage, maximum oil change intervals...
A lot of people drive rental cars like they stole them!
 
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**UPDATE** Revised Dealer Notice, new Mobile Vehicle Repair recommendation for accomplishing Recall Service Action at Customer's home or business, new special-circumstance Rental Vehicle / Lincoln Pickup and Delivery provisions, Reimbursement procedure for prior Owner-paid Recall-related repairs, and full Recall Service Action procedure...

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**UPDATE** Revised Dealer Notice, new Mobile Vehicle Repair recommendation for accomplishing Recall Service Action at Customer's home or business, new special-circumstance Rental Vehicle / Lincoln Pickup and Delivery provisions, Reimbursement procedure for prior Owner-paid Recall-related repairs, and full Recall Service Action procedure...

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The 14-step service procedure seems to have an error or an unnecessary step.

Step 2 states to open the hood.

Steps 3 - 9 do not state to close the hood.

Step 10 states to open the hood.
 
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