Am I pushing payload capacity too much?

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Fasttimes

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I'm in the same boat here. My FX4 has the max tow package with 3.73 gearing..larger radiator plus I'm running 10 ply BFG tires. Towing a 25RDS Cougar that's loaded into the 7500 lb range. I'm guessing around 1000 lbs hitch weight as it sits now. Run one propane tank and using only one battery. Payload on the FX4 is 1769 lbs so thats in line with most F150's. Expedition does great except in high sidewind conditions and I keep my speed down to the 60-62 mph range. Getting 9.5 mpg towing at 60 mph on our flat Louisiana hwys. Sold my F350 DRW that I drove daily for 4 1/2 yrs and this Expedition is so much nicer plus I get 22 mpg on long highway trips. Wife and I love the camper so no plans to get rid of either right now.
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That is a nice set up. Wish I had that payload.
 

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Tongue weight eats cargo capacity.

My cargo capacity is ~1470 pounds. Trailer weight ~6000 pounds and the (measured) tongue weight is 700. 1470 - 700 = 770 pounds for passengers, dogs, camping gear, etc.

Figure 200 per passenger (to include their gear in the truck) and no more than 4 passengers can be carried when towing. Just two of us and 3 Dachshunds and we're fine but more porcine passengers and a lot of gear can push the limits. You know your passengers (maybe better figure on 250 each with gear).

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If only Ford would wise up and make a next generation Excursion. There are tons of people out there in the same situation, right at the limit who need just a bit more payload.
I think a good many of us are waiting for that, especially if they could increase the towing capacity. I’m currently pulling a 35’ TT, with Coil SumoSprings in the rear to minimize the sag and I know I’m at limit for towing when we head out. Just wish I had a little more wiggle room with the weight (current towing capacity is 9200 on my 2017 platinumEL) and TT is 1000 less than that so I have to be a real stickler for the contents of the trailer when we head out. Expedition does a good job, though quick stopping and wind can be negative factors to consider. Not real keen on rushing to a F250 just yet if there was an newer Excursion option available.
 

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I am interested on your fuel usage while towing. I have 18 max with trailer tow pkg. With just a little 14 ft v nose trailer, I drop to 7 to 9 MPG depending on speed. Does not seem to make much difference if loaded or empty.
 

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[...] and a lot of gear can push the limits. You know your passengers (maybe better figure on 250 each with gear).

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Don't forget, gear should go in the trailer. This way, only 10 - 15% will count towards the payload (assuming proper loading). But yes, payload is the biggest limitation on these vehicles. When I learned that I had an eight-seat vehicle that couldn't carry both eight people and a camper that could fit everyone, I was rather annoyed.

I'm not sure why Ford doesn't sell an updated Excursion. I think near the end of the previous model cycle it no longer sold well. I guess it's just a really limited market for people with many passengers and big boats/trailers. Once everyone that can actually afford it gets one, there's probably not a huge customer pool remaining. A HDPP option like what Ford offers on the F150 might be a better way to go. Most of us at the payload limit are just barely hitting the limit. Another 500 to 800 lbs would likely suffice.
 

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Don't forget, gear should go in the trailer. This way, only 10 - 15% will count towards the payload (assuming proper loading). But yes, payload is the biggest limitation on these vehicles. When I learned that I had an eight-seat vehicle that couldn't carry both eight people and a camper that could fit everyone, I was rather annoyed.

I'm not sure why Ford doesn't sell an updated Excursion. I think near the end of the previous model cycle it no longer sold well. I guess it's just a really limited market for people with many passengers and big boats/trailers. Once everyone that can actually afford it gets one, there's probably not a huge customer pool remaining. A HDPP option like what Ford offers on the F150 might be a better way to go. Most of us at the payload limit are just barely hitting the limit. Another 500 to 800 lbs would likely suffice.
Same for me here. Reaching my payload had made me put everything in the trailer as it still never reaches 7000lbs. Sound like you still have a few hundred pounds to spare but I’d keep a close eye on the rear axle
 

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If only Ford would wise up and make a next generation Excursion. There are tons of people out there in the same situation, right at the limit who need just a bit more payload.
From your lips to Gods ears brother. I'm sooo sorry I sold my Excursion, should have kept it around just for the towing trips - of course when I sold it I thought I would not be towing any longer. DSC03329.JPG
 

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From your lips to Gods ears brother. I'm sooo sorry I sold my Excursion, should have kept it around just for the towing trips - of course when I sold it I thought I would not be towing any longer. View attachment 74347
Is the payload that much different with the Excursion? I am reading 1400-1700 which is what we have as well. Maybe they underrated it back then. Some guy said they have a 7k lb axle in the back which would be a big difference. Wish I would have bought one a couple of years ago, the prices for them have doubled in many cases.
 

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The only Large SUV that I remember having both high tow and payload capacity was the Suburban 2500.
 
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