Failed front outer pinion bearing & drive mode question

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Took my 2019 Limited Max in for service due to a front end howling noise. Assumed a front wheel bearing was failing. Just got word from the dealer it is the front differential outer pinion bearing that is failed. Truck has 40k miles and it will be covered under the 60k powertrain warranty.

Here is my question. The noise occurred in any drive mode, even 2H. Why is the front diff turning in 2H? While trying to diagnose, I lifted both front wheels off the ground and spun them. Both front axles turned. I read that the IWE actuators work off a vacuum so the engine has to be running to release them. So I tried starting the truck and the front axles still turned with the wheels. Then I read somewhere that you had to drive a few miles before they would release. Wasn't able to test that. But now with this noise in the front diff always present it makes me think the front drivetrain is always turning. Is that true?

I've read a bunch of the threads on here about drive modes and wasn't able to ever get a clear answer.
 

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Your transfer case has clutches to modulate torque applied to front axle. Like any clutch-based hydraulic system, even if in 2H, the clutches and fluid have some drag that causes the front driveshaft to rotate all the time.
 
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Interesting and that does make sense. Still, disappointed in this failure. I wasn't able to find any other cases of this failure so hoping it is just a fluke.
 

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Took my 2019 Limited Max in for service due to a front end howling noise. Assumed a front wheel bearing was failing. Just got word from the dealer it is the front differential outer pinion bearing that is failed. Truck has 40k miles and it will be covered under the 60k powertrain warranty.

Here is my question. The noise occurred in any drive mode, even 2H. Why is the front diff turning in 2H? While trying to diagnose, I lifted both front wheels off the ground and spun them. Both front axles turned. I read that the IWE actuators work off a vacuum so the engine has to be running to release them. So I tried starting the truck and the front axles still turned with the wheels. Then I read somewhere that you had to drive a few miles before they would release. Wasn't able to test that. But now with this noise in the front diff always present it makes me think the front drivetrain is always turning. Is that true?

I've read a bunch of the threads on here about drive modes and wasn't able to ever get a clear answer.
A question: When you say that with the front wheels in the air and the engine running the axles turned with the wheels while the Tcase was in 2H, do you mean when you manually rotated the unloaded wheels, or do you mean that they turned under power with the transmission in D or R?

Either way, the wheels should not turn with the axles, that is a vacuum hub disengagement issue. If the wheels are in the air, there is no binding in the drivetrain, the hubs should disengage as soon as vacuum is achieved. Somewhere, your vehicle has an issue with the hub vacuum release system. It could be an electrical actuation issue, vacuum leak issue, or a mechanical failure of the hub clutches.

Separately, I have heard of others experiencing front driveshaft rotation issues with the Tcase in 2H. My 2020 XLT FX4 MAX with 2 speed tcase does not do that, I've checked. I tend to believe that may be another, unrelated issue with yours.
 
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