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    Expedition Max vs standard size

    I agree with several others that there are lots of advantages to the Max length and really no downsides. I came from an Explorer and shopped the Expedition vs the F150 and even the Max is WAY easier to maneuver especially in parking lots. You'll hardly ever notice unless you street park all...
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    Big cross country tow - am I missing anything?

    Ideally you should do this again, but with everything loaded and your weight distribution engaged to make sure you’re not overloaded anywhere. (Empty tow vehicle alone can be a useful baseline). I’d definitely shoot for an empty truck while towing how many passengers? Your tongue weight empty...
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    Trade in Expedition for Navigator?

    I think it's far more out in the open than that. Test vehicles are delivered and picked up for free or reviewers are flown to exotic locations to test vehicles. Implicit agreement that if you trash our stuff that might stop.
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    Towing and weight issues.

    I can't see what you're referencing, but the assumption typically is that people driving pickups want clearance for the tailgate. He's right, it should be as close as possible.
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    Towing and weight issues.

    Check how level your trailer is in relation to the ground BEFORE you redistribute weight. We had this issue too but my hitch ball was too high. Then what happens is as you redistribute weight back to the rear of the trailer and the front of the truck you "tip" the trailer towards the rear...
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    Hoping my new truck can tow this

    That’s 5-6 feet longer than what I’d comfortably tow with an Expedition Max, to say nothing of the short wheelbase version. I consider 30ft plus 1/2ton-3/4ton territory, regardless of weight. Lots of factors influence towing safety not just coming in under the max rating.
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    Can we talk HD Tow one more time?

    Technically yes, tongue weight is payload when the trailer is attached, and the tongue weight can vary depending on how the trailer is loaded. However the hitch is attached to the vehicle and always payload. I think it gets forgotten or assumed to be part of the trailer weight but it’s not. I...
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    Can we talk HD Tow one more time?

    Don't forget your WDH also counts as payload (everything forward of the hitch ball is payload). However I'm guessing you are under max payload with what you mentioned so you're good there. Is your trailer level when attached? It does seem like that's pretty close to ideal tongue weight for a...
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    Towing and weight issues.

    I’m able to get 200-300lbs onto my front axle using my weight distribution hitch and a 5700lb 25ft trailer. Two things that will help you - the tongue weight of your trailer when loaded and the height of your front fender, loaded vs. unloaded. Your goal even without a scale should be to return...
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    Any problems with the 2019?

    Gotcha. I’m sure either could tow that just fine. There might be a huge disparity in towing range depending on fuel tank size difference.
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    Any problems with the 2019?

    I can’t think of any reason a newer model would be an improvement other than lower mileage. The wheelbase on your F150 is still longer than the expedition especially if you’re not looking at a Max version. That means it will be more stable if you’re towing something long. Realistically it’s best...
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    2019 limited towing mpg

    I’ve thought about locking out gears too. My assumption like you would be that the transmission logic would be to keep boost low but that appears to be incorrect in practice. I’ll try it our next trip.
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    towing frustration

    Good on you for researching before buying. Lots of good info on YouTube regarding how to tow safely. Key characteristics: wheelbase, payload, torque, and trailer length. You’ll find that as far as travel trailers go tow capacity won’t be relevant.
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    Grand design 26 ft trailer

    That's borderline too much for an Expedition Max with HD tow. That's a dry tongue weight it could be as much as 1000lbs on your tongue, easily overload the rear axle and over 25-26ft you'll be very prone to sway.
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    Grand design 26 ft trailer

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    2019 limited towing mpg

    We get 7-9 mpg typically when going 65-70. I try to stay at 65 just because it's usually not worth the meager time savings past that. If speed limits were slower I'd go 60 but here interstates are 75mph. If you want to know where your gas is going, swap out the turbo gauge for the...
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    Negotiating a new

    I bought last fall and was able to get close to invoice off my Limited Max, plus thousands in rebates; my experience won't match yours now. You know about all the shortages and used market prices right? This is just a consequence of all that going on. You can check ford.com for current...
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    2018 vs 2021 Cooled Seats

    Mine seems maybe 2x as loud on full blast, consider it normal on my end.
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    2021 Towing

    Rear axle is def the most important for higher weights. Would also recommend going MAX for wheelbase and larger tank.
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    Towing mirror questions 2020-2021

    Also I don’t think anyone makes a tow mirror replacement. Maybe only on the Gen 3?
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    What is the best year Expedition to buy?

    I doubt that very much, in addition to there being zero public documentation of such a vehicle in development. Ford would do that to either goose their truck sales (already #1) or make just an obscene amount of money (meaning it would probably go north of $100k each).
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    Extended Warranty

    That would be my guess too? I bought a plan from Ford that I cancelled after a year and they kept a prorated portion of the 8 year warranty term; I understood that was how it worked, but I basically paid cost not cost plus through Zeigler.
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    Trailer Backup Assist

    Being squirrely doesn't help - I think it's mostly the short distance between the rear and trailer axles and yes, it seems almost universally it's great for keeping a trailer straight once it's lined up; for other uses it really depends on your experience level.
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    How to use a CAT scale for RV and truck towing?

    Going to 4th Gen would help - I have a fully optioned 4x4 Limited Max with HD tow and I have 1603 lbs of payload with the bench seat. XLT Max HD tow with captain's chairs will add maybe 200 lbs more to that?
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    2nd row captain chairs versus 2nd row split bench with dogs?

    I think there is something about the sheer interior volume plus the isolation of the body on frame that is unique to full size SUVs - way before I bought an Expedition I ended up in a Tahoe for an Uber. It was just so much bigger than what I've been used to, also just the huge amount of space...

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