2019 Ford Expedition Repair Fix Nightmare

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GoDawgs211

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1st Repair:
Took my wife's car in 5 months ago to get the Cam Phaser rattle fixed by an independent shop. No check engine light was present at the time. Only thing wrong was the rattle. Shop diagnosed the problem and quoted the job out. I authorized the repairs, took them about a month, and they told me car was ready to come pick up. Picked the car up and took it home.

2nd Repair:
Check engine light comes on with P0018 and P0021 codes. I take it back to the repair shop. They state that Ford sent them bad parts and redid the whole job. Took them about a month again, and then they called me to come pick the car up.

3rd "Repair":
Check engine light comes back on, vehicle goes into limp mode, and I have the same codes: P0018 and P0021. I take the car back to the shop. They've had it for about 2 months with me breathing down their neck to find out what's going on.

They finally call me last week to tell me that my vehicle needs a new engine, that a previous owner had replaced the camshafts on the vehicle, and that over time this has damaged my engine. They offered to replace the engine with no labor cost, but I would have to buy the engine at $5,136.00. I said no thanks and had the vehicle towed to the dealer. I have since been in contact requesting that they go about making this right, as I believe they messed up my engine timing during the first repair and they're looking to shirk responsibility by saying the cams have been replaced. I'm the second owner of the vehicle, butnothing in the CarFax or Ford service history indicates that any major repair like that has ever taken place before I took the vehicle to this shop. I also purchased the car when it was well within the 5-year 60,000 mile powertrain warranty. I also pulled the part numbers off of the cam shafts they said had been replaced and reached out to Ford, and they said that these were the original part numbers that had been installed on the vehicle. I'm trying to think of any other way to verify that these haven't been replaced. Any ideas from the forum?
 
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Wow! What a legacy. Good luck my friend. Do you have a lawyer? The private shop in the mix will be difficult for Ford to digest in this issue. MHO.
Not yet!. I've been in talks with one. I'm trying to get in touch with the business owner. He still hasn't reached out to me. It looks better in court if you have tried to resolve it with the owner. They are also a warrantied shop, but they may not want to file a warranty claim on this.
 

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I also purchased the car when it was well within the 5-year 60,000 mile powertrain warranty.
Sorry if this sounds harsh, but you should have taken it straight to the stealership for a warranty claim... Ford's probably not gonna do squat since there was a 3rd party shop involved, & they will just blame everything on them, and would probably win in a court battle for that reason alone, since they had no control over what happened or didn't happen there....

nothing in the CarFax or Ford service history indicates that any major repair like that has ever taken place before I took the vehicle to this shop
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Carfax (& Ford's histories) only shows what is reported to them by the repair shops, but A LOT of shops do not report their work to them, so I doubt that you will have much leverage with this part...

I also pulled the part numbers off of the cam shafts they said had been replaced and reached out to Ford, and they said that these were the original part numbers that had been installed on the vehicle. I'm trying to think of any other way to verify that these haven't been replaced

Just because the camshafts had the OEM part numbers on them doesn't necessarily mean they haven't been replaced, as OEM replacements would have had the same part numbers on them. However, if they also had some sort of serial number or possibly a date (of manufacture) code on them, then that would tell the story there...as the original ones from the factory would have been stamped sometime in mid-2018 or early-mid 2019, whereas the replacements would have been stamped with some date(s) after that...

Good luck with getting this resolved & back on the road...please keep us updated :)
 
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Sorry if this sounds harsh, but you should have taken it straight to the stealership for a warranty claim... Ford's probably not gonna do squat since there was a 3rd party shop involved, & they will just blame everything on them, and would probably win in a court battle for that reason alone, since they had no control over what happened or didn't happen there....
The car had 111,000 miles on it when I took it to have it repaired. I referenced the warranty for them saying the cam shaft had been replaced at some point, which didn't happen within the 60,000 mile warranty period according to service claims. I've also never had anybody do any major work to the car since I've had it until now.
 

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The car had 111,000 miles on it when I took it to have it repaired. I referenced the warranty for them saying the cam shaft had been replaced at some point, which didn't happen within the 60,000 mile warranty period according to service claims. I've also never had anybody do any major work to the car since I've had it until now.
Gotcha :gr_grin:
 
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Sorry if this sounds harsh, but you should have taken it straight to the stealership for a warranty claim... Ford's probably not gonna do squat since there was a 3rd party shop involved, & they will just blame everything on them, and would probably win in a court battle for that reason alone, since they had no control over what happened or didn't happen there....

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Carfax (& Ford's histories) only shows what is reported to them by the repair shops, but A LOT of shops do not report their work to them, so I doubt that you will have much leverage with this part...



Just because the camshafts had the OEM part numbers on them doesn't necessarily mean they haven't been replaced, as OEM replacements would have had the same part numbers on them. However, if they also had some sort of serial number or possibly a date (of manufacture) code on them, then that would tell the story there...as the original ones from the factory would have been stamped sometime in mid-2018 or early-mid 2019, whereas the replacements would have been stamped with some date(s) after that...

Good luck with getting this resolved & back on the road...please keep us updated :)
I've got the serial information off of the cam shafts. Do you guys know who I can reach out to for date of manufacture? I've tried the parts hotline, but they really couldn't help me.
 
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