Trainmaster
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Climate Control Improvements
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I'd really miss the cooled seats.
DieselMonk
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Your SPP doesn’t have cooled seats? Really? Mine does!
Of course it does! But if it had only the 3 controls that were in Trainmaster's post it wouldn't.
TonyR0206
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I have the 15.5" screen in mine in which you can only control the temperature through the touch screen. It's not ideal, by any means. My biggest gripe is that there is no easy way to control the temp for the whole cabin. You have to physically go in and set the front / rear separately. You'd think that in 2025, as in other vehicles, that Ford would think that their customers would like to not have to take multiple steps and take their eyes off the road repeatedly to set the temperature for the rear of the cabin; or to have a setting that synchronizes the front temps with the rear. Ok...I'm done complaining. Everyone have a Happy New Year!!
Andy B
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Disagree. I love automatic heat controls where you set the desired temperature and not just how far open the heat flapper door is. It keeps me comfy as the engine warms up and as the outside temperature changes.
Andy B
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Oh man, I loved those vent windows.
And Chevy's "Astro ventilation" which was just outside air from the cowl ( slightly high pressure) with no heat, no cooling, controlled by a flapper door.
Andy B
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23 SPP here, I have cooled seats too.
GixxerJasen
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That sounds miserable to those of us in Texas.
DieselMonk
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DieselMonk
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I just leave the rear on 22C and just adjust the front to 23C in the winter. If someone wants it warmer in the back they can adjust it themselves on the separate control in the middle center, or wait until I change it.
Andy B
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It was a separate system additional to the normal heating and AC. And don't you have NIGHTS in Texas?
GixxerJasen
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Oh nights! Yes, we have those, it gets down to a chilly 85F at night here in the summer.
That is chilly.....any snow ???
GixxerJasen
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What is that?
Trainmaster
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Got in the 23 today, pressed the AUTO button and the AC light lit. It was six degrees out and dry. Nothing would make it go out. So I turned the truck off, opened and closed the door, restarted it and now it heats.
Anyone know how this thing is supposed to work? I've read the Owner's Manual and the 210 pages in the shop manual referencing the automatic climate control.
I just want to know how this thinks and how to fool it into giving me heat when it's six degrees outside.
Anyone know how this thing is supposed to work? I've read the Owner's Manual and the 210 pages in the shop manual referencing the automatic climate control.
I just want to know how this thinks and how to fool it into giving me heat when it's six degrees outside.
ROBERT BONNER
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Carefully observe the outdoor temperature reading (as opposed to what temperature you know to be true). I think you were experiencing the opposite problem, for the same reason, that I and others I know have experienced. Defeating it in your case, might involve shutting the HVAC system off until the outside temperature reads correctly. I've explained the problem that these post '22's all experience below:
There is way too much software in these systems. Sometime between '20 and '22 MY, the Ford Truck/Full Size SUV Climate control guys had way too much time on their hands and started writing software that they didn't need. I have a '20 Expedition and a '22 F150 and the behavior and performance of the two systems is significantly different, despite having the exact same buttons, and owners manual definitions. One of the biggest differences is this:
The behavior of the outside thermometer. On the '20 the thermometer adjusts to changes in temperature very rapidly. Start out in a cool garage on a hot day and the thermometer reads the change in temperature within 30 seconds of exiting the garage. The '22 DOES NOT. It has some sort of idiot memory and buffering software that "remembers" the last temperature recorded during the last drive and starts there on initial start-up, it is buffered such that it waits until the vehicle reaches a certain speed (~35mph?) before it will budge off of the "last recorded temperature", then it changes slowly, like 1 degree F every 5-10 seconds.
Between me and my hunting buddies we have (2) pre 22's and (3) post 22's, that are routinely exposed to the same temperature conditions during hunting season. Consistently when our trucks are parked in the evening at say 35 deg F in the fall in northern MI, then restarted in the afternoon the next day at 65 deg F and sunny, the outdoor thermometer will start at 35 F on the +22's and stay at that temperature until the end of the trail where speeds are below 20mph for several miles, only after we're on a main road does the temperature start to climb slowly, eventually equalizing at the actual temp. On our typical routes this can take up to 15 minutes! The -22's immediately display the actual outdoor temperature and heat/cool as anyone would expect when auto is selected. If the +22's are set to any auto interior temp, while the outside temperature reading is radically off (30 deg + differential), they will blow heat and will cook you out, completely ignoring the interior set temp. The only way to prevent it is to either turn off the system or select max a/c and modulate the fan manually until the outdoor temp reads correctly. What a mess, they all do it, there are NO faults shown in the systems, this is considered "normal" behavior. What a huge disappointment. My brother's $104K '25 Platinum F350 does it. I'm sure the expensive Navi's do it too.
There are so many things wrong here. With a proper interior feedback loop, the system doesn't even have to know the outside temperature, sure, knowing it could help the system respond quicker, I get it; but, if you tell the system to lie to itself about the temperature under certain circumstances, you're defeating the whole purpose. If I still worked at Ford I would have had a field day with this with the Product Development guys, I would have had them crying like babies and begging me to stop in front of their many VP's. Ah, the good ole days.
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