No I am not saying that. Maybe you need to go back and read the entire thread. We are all wondering why Ford made a change from 2023 and before when the payload was different for vehicles equipped differently to 2024 showing the same payload number on vehicles that were NOT equipped the same.
Every 2024 Non Max Expedition has the same Payload Sticker
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I read the whole thread. I agree, we are all wondering what happened from '23 to '24.
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This is the answer I got from a sales rep when questioning the payload info. Sounds like a bunch of crap to me but maybe someone else can make sense of it.
"In the 2024 Expedition non-max 4x4, Ford standardized the platform across trims so that the base curb weight, & thus the payload capacity is nearly identical regardless of interior or luxury features. Essentially, all trims use the same structural components and equipment, so the payload is determined solely by the vehicle’s overall design. The only exception is when the Heavy-Duty Tow Package is added, which changes the payload from 1358 to 1405 lbs. In previous model years, differences in standard equipment led to more variation in payload numbers, but for 2024 Ford streamlined production and ensured consistency across trims."
"In the 2024 Expedition non-max 4x4, Ford standardized the platform across trims so that the base curb weight, & thus the payload capacity is nearly identical regardless of interior or luxury features. Essentially, all trims use the same structural components and equipment, so the payload is determined solely by the vehicle’s overall design. The only exception is when the Heavy-Duty Tow Package is added, which changes the payload from 1358 to 1405 lbs. In previous model years, differences in standard equipment led to more variation in payload numbers, but for 2024 Ford streamlined production and ensured consistency across trims."
Flathead40
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Ford knows the weight of each option so this isn’t hard. They program all that in and based on the build sheet their system knows what the curb weight is vs the GVWR. The cost savings is nil. The question is are they doing the same thing on 24+ F-Series where this number means a lot more from a DOT perspective (especially 250 and up).
Can someone here explain why the "Tire and Loading" sticker is important anyway? That the key #s are above that sticker (GVWR, GAWR).
Not sure anyone insists their passengers and cargo weigh themselves before getting-in and going for a ride?
But there seems no question that diff vehicles with different wheels/tires should have different cargo limitations. For the record, mine has 265/70R18 tires and sez 1405lbs.
Not sure anyone insists their passengers and cargo weigh themselves before getting-in and going for a ride?
But there seems no question that diff vehicles with different wheels/tires should have different cargo limitations. For the record, mine has 265/70R18 tires and sez 1405lbs.
So, before 2024, different trims used different "structural components" and had non-"standardized the platform" on the vehicles？I highly doubt it.
I take it as a cost saving action. My education tells me, Ford cuts this weighting step for each individual vehicles to save some labor cost and reduce production time.
Yesterday i looked at the tow specs for the Jeep Wagoneer. The spec sheet shows a payload value with no variance footnotes. Im thinking the manufacturers are doing what i commented on above. Take the lower common denominator and make that the single figure expect for 2wd/4wd and tow package. They just didn't bother to announce the change to consumers
Spec sheets are always like that. That is why the door sticker is so important because it should be accurate to the pound
There is zero chance this is correct...
weight can swing 300+lbs between just a few options.
buckets, Pano roof, XLT vs. limited is probably a 300-350lb difference.
I'm not going to lie... As someone who does everything I can to be smart with towing, it would really tick me off that they aren't weighing them and printing actuals. ESPECIALLY at those numbers. We've seen other units in the 1750-1850 range, which is a HUGE difference than those stickers.
Smells like cost savings then the lawyers gave them a bottom end. That REALLY sucks for those who want to stay legal when towing.
