Farewell to the board - thanks to all for your help

[Jettix2]

Just wanted to say farewell to the board here. Thanks much to those who have given advice and input over the last 4 years for our 2 expeditions…… including troubleshooting cam phasers, transmission clunks, and more.

We loved both of these vehicles but they didn’t love us LOL. 18 Platinum Max needed wheel bearings, running board motors, shocks, cam phasers, rear wiper fail, sunroof track, and a turbo I think…… current 19 Platinum max we bought with much lower miles with the hopes it would treat us better, but we’ve had wiring harness issues, AC condensate drain mold issues, repeated transmission issues, stuck running boards, both front and rear wiper failures, random electrical issues and more. When everything is dialed in, these 18+ Expeditions run and drive like a 7-series BMW. I just don’t have time to deal with the high maintenance aspect, even with my ESP warranty.

The depreciation has been horrendous, and I feel like I’m never going to get this vehicle paid off and be able to reliably drive it for awhile after it’s paid for….. so we cut our losses now, while it still has value.

Ford dealer is buying it from us and we bought a 2019 Sequoia Platinum from out of state and are having it shipped here.

My final advice would be 1) buy the ESP warranty and 2) don’t be afraid to consult a lemon law attorney if you’ve had multiple (or repeated) problems, as it was beneficial in my situation even though we purchased the vehicle used.

Thanks again to all.

 

[SyndicateZ]

bought a 2019 Sequoia Platinum from out of state and are having it shipped here

So u online bought the Sequoia without looking at it first? I wish luck with it!

This will be my last Ford as well for a few reasons not as many as yours tho sheesh

 

[GixxerJasen]

The Sequoia will be rock solid dependable, but will feel like a 1970's station wagon in comparison. I had my heart set on one of that generation Sequoia and when I went to test drive it, I also tested the Expedition back to back. I'd seen the reviews about how it felt old but had decided I didn't care, but I did. It was night and day. Still, if my Expedition give me too much more hassle, I'd see myself doing as you are doing. Enjoy the new ride.

 

[Jettix2]

So u online bought the Sequoia without looking at it first? I wish luck with it!

This will be my last Ford as well for a few reasons not as many as yours tho sheesh

Yep, but it’s a front-line vehicle from a Mercedes/Volvo dealer that has impeccable online reviews, with a 3 year certified warranty, so I’m hopeful that it’s as-described.

 

[Jettix2]

The Sequoia will be rock solid dependable, but will feel like a 1970's station wagon in comparison. I had my heart set on one of that generation Sequoia and when I went to test drive it, I also tested the Expedition back to back. I'd seen the reviews about how it felt old but had decided I didn't care, but I did. It was night and day. Still, if my Expedition give me too much more hassle, I'd see myself doing as you are doing. Enjoy the new ride.

Yep. It will feel like a dinosaur complete with the horrendous dash and outdated styling, but I can’t afford to keep spending $15k a year in depreciation on an Expedition that’s always in the shop

 

[HILLY]

Good luck with the transition. Before the Expedition I was a Toyota truck guy with 4Runner's and LC's. There's no dispute that they're rock solid for reliability and easy to maintain. I'd still go back to them.

After my first Expedition was crushed back in August, I started to look at all makes for a full size SUV replacement. A 2nd gen Sequoia being my primary focus. They were sparse on the used market being far and few in between and not without them being either exceptionally aged (around 10+ years) or rather high mileage to fit in the budget I was looking for. Expy #2 came along by chance and now I hope it serves me well in the long run.

 

[BigOleFordFan]

Well as the saying goes:

"See ya, wouldn't wanna be ya, drivin around in a KIA, make sure ya don't wrap it around a treeya, or we won't be seein ya no mo", hehehehehe

Good luck with the Toyo, I hope it serves you well, or at least better than the Expy's did anyways !

 

[SyndicateZ]

Yep, but it’s a front-line vehicle from a Mercedes/Volvo dealer that has impeccable online reviews, with a 3 year certified warranty, so I’m hopeful that it’s as-described.

The 3 year warranty is clutch . Nicely done

 

[2018ExpyPlatinum]

I feel everyone's pain about what to buy. I've looked for over a year and can't find anything as nice, unless it costs over $85K. The depreciation right now is frustrating. I swear I'm losing a $1000 a month. I thought that by now, being 6 years old, it would slow down. Per KBB, it's now down to about $28K. I'm concerned about reliability on anything new right now. It seems like a crap shoot. I think the next one might be a Toyota or a overpriced Lexus. I wish you well.

 

[bb37]

Depreciation doesn't manifest itself as money out of your pocket until you try to sell the vehicle. It's like "losing money" when the stock market drops--you don't actually lose any money until you sell the stock.

Automobiles depreciate. That's a given. We all make generally stupid money decisions when we finance a depreciating asset. One way to avoid getting "hurt" by depreciation is to limit how much of a new vehicle you finance. Frankly, if you are getting "upside down" on a car loan, you either bought too much car at the outset or didn't put enough down.

For those of you looking at Toyota or Lexus, they are not immune from producing vehicles with problems. Just ask the 100,000 Toyota Tundra or Lexus LX owners who are getting new engines.

 

[Jettix2]

The 3 year warranty is clutch . Nicely done

Yep, 3 year B2B warranty underwritten by Volvo, valid at my local dealership which sells both Volvo & Toyota, .

Depreciation doesn't manifest itself as money out of your pocket until you try to sell the vehicle. It's like "losing money" when the stock market drops--you don't actually lose any money until you sell the stock.

Automobiles depreciate. That's a given. We all make generally stupid money decisions when we finance a depreciating asset. One way to avoid getting "hurt" by depreciation is to limit how much of a new vehicle you finance. Frankly, if you are getting "upside down" on a car loan, you either bought too much car at the outset or didn't put enough down.

For those of you looking at Toyota or Lexus, they are not immune from producing vehicles with problems. Just ask the 100,000 Toyota Tundra or Lexus LX owners who are getting new engines.

Yeah, this one was super-bad though. Purchased CPO for just under $60k in Feb 2023, and it's worth $31 trade-in right now OMG. If I had kept the Suburban we traded in at the time, the depreciation would have been less. Hindsight is 20/20 of course, and some of the effect we're feeling on this one is the market correcting...

Yes, Toyota is not immune, which is a big part of why we are avoiding the 3G Sequoia with the 3.4 Turbo Hybrid for right now. Kudos to Toyota for stepping up and replacing 100k motors though.

 

[Jettix2]

I feel everyone's pain about what to buy. I've looked for over a year and can't find anything as nice, unless it costs over $85K. The depreciation right now is frustrating. I swear I'm losing a $1000 a month. I thought that by now, being 6 years old, it would slow down. Per KBB, it's now down to about $28K. I'm concerned about reliability on anything new right now. It seems like a crap shoot. I think the next one might be a Toyota or a overpriced Lexus. I wish you well.

Mine has dropped $1500 a month since June. Some of it is because the '25s came out, some of it because the market is correcting, but it's bad regardless.

 

[GixxerJasen]

Best deal ever was to purchase a TRD spec'd Sequoia in 2019 and then sell it in 2022 for exactly what you paid for it. Freaking COVID. I know, I was shopping then. Sigh. Thank goodness the same thing didn't happen with Expeditions.

 

[aksarben]

These kinds of posts are really dis-heartening. I just bought a super low mileage 2021 four months ago, my first Ford, for some long trips over the next 3-5 years. Only put about 2k miles on it so far, one trip of 1,100 miles. In searching for a full size SUV and looking at all the options one the market, I quickly ruled out the Nissans and the Toyotas based on technology, handling, ride an comfort. I wanted to try a Toyota, but uggh, price, technology, ride and comfort just weren't there for my budget and desires.Spent a long time searching for what fit my budget and desires and it really only left the Tahoe or EXPY. Bought the first one that checked all the boxes. I really like it, the tech it has, the comfort and how it drives and that motor makes it so effortless.

Only time will tell how it treats me. I have mostly had good overall luck with most of my vehicles however I don't drive them for a lot of miles. I had 33 years of company cars and we ran the hell outta those cheaper fleet vehicles. Most of them performed really well, low tech frills basic fleet cars. Something to be said for that I guess. The one car that has treated me well with not a single issue in 3 years and 35k miles is my Tesla Model Y. Zip, zero, nothing but a set of new tires. In fact we use that as our daily driver for everything and hardly drive the EXPY at all which makes wonder, should I drive it some more to find any "bugs" before our 2 planned long distance trips this year? Naw, I will take my chances I guess and am committed to it for now.

 

[2018ExpyPlatinum]

@aksarben ..Sadly, it's all a box of chocolates. Many have had multiple issues on many things...cam phasers, tranny. Mine is 6 years old, 64K miles and has been perfect. Probably why it's still here. Actually, probably close to the best vehicle I've ever owned. New car quality is such a shot in the dark that I'm a bit scared to buy anything. Welcome and good luck with yours!

 

[lobsenza]

Yep, 3 year B2B warranty underwritten by Volvo, valid at my local dealership which sells both Volvo & Toyota, .

Yeah, this one was super-bad though. Purchased CPO for just under $60k in Feb 2023, and it's worth $31 trade-in right now OMG. If I had kept the Suburban we traded in at the time, the depreciation would have been less. Hindsight is 20/20 of course, and some of the effect we're feeling on this one is the market correcting...

Yes, Toyota is not immune, which is a big part of why we are avoiding the 3G Sequoia with the 3.4 Turbo Hybrid for right now. Kudos to Toyota for stepping up and replacing 100k motors though.

But, the current Generation Sequoia has no storage, no fold flat seats, and a live axle. Toyota made a bunch of improvements, but these issues are show stoppers for me.

 

[Jettix2]

But, the current Generation Sequoia has no storage, no fold flat seats, and a live axle. Toyota made a bunch of improvements, but these issues are show stoppers for me.

Yes the 3rd Gen has very little cargo space, and the 3.4 hybrid/turbo is unproven, which is why we sought out the lowest-mileage 2nd Gen 5.7 v8 we could find (a 2019). So far we really like it.