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The real reason I have an Expedition at all it its ability to tow my 6000+ pound camper. I was flogging the poor Explorer every time I towed. Had a 2007 V8 and still have my 2017. Although I had the opportunity I did NOT buy the 2018 model due to the loss of a gear shift lever (dare I say muscle memory?). A square steering wheel?! Heck I was sorry for the 18" wheels and corresponding lower profile tires, no way I'd want 20" or larger on a SUV. Thanks, Ford, I'll put another 50,000 miles on this one.

Not sure how the "grocery Moms," or anyone else is gonna get grocery bags into the back truck with all that reach-over.
 

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I hate to be a fly in the ointment but after 60 years of circular steering wheels I had about 4 minutes of adjustment time. We like it. Even though my Platinum Ultimate has a leather wrapped wheel I covered it in a high quality leather cover. The natural oils of my hands ruined the factory leather whee of my Eddie Bauer Expedition. I am surprised at how quickly I feel heat from the steering wheel heater. 2 blocks maybe. CJDave.
 

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The real reason I have an Expedition at all it its ability to tow my 6000+ pound camper. I was flogging the poor Explorer every time I towed. Had a 2007 V8 and still have my 2017. Although I had the opportunity I did NOT buy the 2018 model due to the loss of a gear shift lever (dare I say muscle memory?). A square steering wheel?! Heck I was sorry for the 18" wheels and corresponding lower profile tires, no way I'd want 20" or larger on a SUV. Thanks, Ford, I'll put another 50,000 miles on this one.

Not sure how the "grocery Moms," or anyone else is gonna get grocery bags into the back truck with all that reach-over.
The lower gate is only a few inches tall, guys; it's not the Great Wall of China. It's really really nice, especially for groceries...you just leave the lower gate closed and set the groceries in, ya know, kinda like a trunk. And when you get home you don't have to do the little dance of leaning under and trying to catch the tomato sauce rolling out the back.

I was absolutely against the squircle...until I drove it. it works with the dash, is very comfortable in the hand, spins nicely coming out of a turn (it's not a hard-cornered square for crying out loud), the flat top and bottom are very nice to rest your hand while cruising, and it really took no adjustment whatsoever. If you have actually driven it and didn't like it, that's one thing...but if you are just looking at it and saying "hmmm...that's different...I don't like it" you really are doing yourself a disservice.

Even the touchpad buttons are great! Another thing I was hesitant about. The main complaint I see online is "I have to take my eyes off the road to look down at the screen to see what I'm pressing"...well, from the road to the instrument cluster is a lot shorter distance than the road to the steering wheel itself! Plus, just like "regular buttons", you learn what's what in about 2 days and then it's fine. I have had mine for about a month and never have to look to know what I'm pressing.

Like @CJ Dave , I don't mean to be the contrarian on this "let's all bash the new design page", but it all works really really well. Again, if you actually have some seat time in one and don't like it, good for you, the Chevy dealer would love your money. But if you have previously liked Expis and are just looking at the Gen5 online and are scared of the changes...do yourself a favor and actually go drive one. I was resigned to buying a Lexus LX because I didn't like all the changes, but that was before I drove one. Once I did, and realized the folks at Ford haven't just made changes for the sake of making changes, I couldn't wait to order mine. I love it. (Other than the black-only liftgate...that's dumb, ha!).

And honestly, I would rather them make some radical changes from gen to gen than just ignore the vehicle like they did from Gen1-Gen3 letting it fall so far behind the GMs.
 

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Awesome feedback from ya'll driving it day to day!!

I have had several as loaners and driven them for a few days at a time. I got used to it, but honestly still didn't like it. The wife HATED it...so Happy Wife, Happy life!

I would like a few more hard buttons and knobs, and I do tech for a living and love a good screen, but I think it is too far.

The lack of the ELSD also makes me sad, after having the 2020! That thing just worked. My truck is the offroad vehicle, so the Expedition was a road warrior. 20's, 22's, as long as it is good rubber, and rides good, I could care less!

Keep the feedback coming. GREAT stuff!
 

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The lower gate is only a few inches tall, guys; it's not the Great Wall of China. It's really really nice, especially for groceries...you just leave the lower gate closed and set the groceries in, ya know, kinda like a trunk. And when you get home you don't have to do the little dance of leaning under and trying to catch the tomato sauce rolling out the back.

I was absolutely against the squircle...until I drove it. it works with the dash, is very comfortable in the hand, spins nicely coming out of a turn (it's not a hard-cornered square for crying out loud), the flat top and bottom are very nice to rest your hand while cruising, and it really took no adjustment whatsoever. If you have actually driven it and didn't like it, that's one thing...but if you are just looking at it and saying "hmmm...that's different...I don't like it" you really are doing yourself a disservice.

Even the touchpad buttons are great! Another thing I was hesitant about. The main complaint I see online is "I have to take my eyes off the road to look down at the screen to see what I'm pressing"...well, from the road to the instrument cluster is a lot shorter distance than the road to the steering wheel itself! Plus, just like "regular buttons", you learn what's what in about 2 days and then it's fine. I have had mine for about a month and never have to look to know what I'm pressing.

Like @CJ Dave , I don't mean to be the contrarian on this "let's all bash the new design page", but it all works really really well. Again, if you actually have some seat time in one and don't like it, good for you, the Chevy dealer would love your money. But if you have previously liked Expis and are just looking at the Gen5 online and are scared of the changes...do yourself a favor and actually go drive one. I was resigned to buying a Lexus LX because I didn't like all the changes, but that was before I drove one. Once I did, and realized the folks at Ford haven't just made changes for the sake of making changes, I couldn't wait to order mine. I love it. (Other than the black-only liftgate...that's dumb, ha!).

And honestly, I would rather them make some radical changes from gen to gen than just ignore the vehicle like they did from Gen1-Gen3 letting it fall so far behind the GMs.

I'm guessing I could get used to the tailgate, but it's not as utilitarian for me. My 2011 WK2 was the last year they had a liftglass, and I swore I wouldn't buy another one after they got rid of it. I use(d) it all the time. Have something 6-8' long, no problem. Pop the lift glass, let it hang out and tie it down a little, depending on what it is, pull the lift glass down and secure it. Now, you have this few inch thing, stuff will hang out downwards, far more likely to fall out. Heck, I could see the stupid software folks preventing you from putting it in gear with the top up.

The squircle, yes, I have drive others and the way I drive, while much like @LokiWolf, I could get used to it, but I would never "Like" it. Heck, how many people have had to drive with their knee for a short while to say open an Egg McMuffin on the way to soccer at 7AM? The way I drive my steering wheel is perfectly position top to bottom to where I can use my knee and still see the full bezel. Now cut 2-3" off the top and bottom of the circle, no longer possible. Now for example, my wife's Acura has the flat bottom wheel, I can still make that work. I don't like at all having the wheel return to center after a large turn though, I don't want a pre-greek wheel feeling.

Touchpad buttons? Largely reviews are far more negative about their effectiveness. Have I used them, no. However, I still harken back to the fact that these stupid software folks prevent me from looking at the contents of a USB thumbdrive while driving, but somehow the idea of scrolling through various screens and menus to do simple tasks, that muscle memory and say a single button used to be able to accomplish, yet the USB drive is somehow dangerous, is a joke. I literally use buttons every day on my rig, for example today on the way to drop off a kid, while driving with a hot coffee in the right hand, I was able to reach over with my left hand and turn on the hvac with a single button. Screens, menus, screen context, etc etc makes that a lot harder. You know, when your finger is 22 pixels away from the right on-screen button. edit: I could do this very same task via the Sync screen, with taking my eyes off the road, finding, and hitting 3-4 buttons on screen.

Ford I would say is, in my opinion is 4-5 years late. Many manufacturers are already admitting they over corrected with the "no buttons" concept and are slowly moving back to more of a hybrid approach. The grand wagoneer with an IMAX amount of screen real-estate still has physical buttons that are functional.

If Ford offered say a soccer mom version, and a utilitarian version, I think I might still have a place for this in my future. Similar to say a Wagoneer S vs. a GW (not quite the same, i get it, the S is smaller and E, but you know what i mean). But I don't want a Body-On-Frame Prius.

Finally, again, the fact that if I were to buy a Plati again today, it would cost me 20%+ more, and I would lose have a dozen feature or functions to what I have in my '19, and have to get used to these bad design decisions. I wish another Expi was in my future but I have to ride this out till the warranty expires and find something else at this point.
 
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I love the wheel. Love it. Beautifully engineered. What's with all the whining?
BTW, <30-seconds of quick muscle memory on the steering wheel controls too.
Brilliant. Clean.
Now just fix the damn bounce-back on the window!!
Tf_cc

I am totally used to the wheel and controls after a few short weeks of ownership as well. Not an issue anymore.

The bounce-back on the windows cures itself by after a 10-20 cycles (your results may differ). Without verifying the actual software, my best guess is: The data from current sensing seems to be getting sampled to find the mean which is the target parameter that is set to make closing the window "Safe". In other words... your robot car is learning.

I could run away from anything new, since just about everything is becoming controlled by learning software, this software can malfunction or worse be controlled by outside sources and your worst nightmare becomes life. But I can't escape what is new so I must learn to live with it and somehow find a way to own control of it. Knowledge and a good firewall....

We should all realize the "Steering Wheel' is our least worry, since the cars of the future might not even have one.

V/r

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... from buying the new Expedition or Navigator. I have a 2018 Plat right now and I was thinking about a new one.

Last weekend I went on a trip to Kentucky to hit the Bourbon distilleries and rented a 2025 Expedition. I could not get used to that horrible shaped steering wheel. It is actually a deal breaker for me, there is no way I could drive with that.

With that said, if there were an aftermarket wheel available to swap I would buy one. Has anyone come across or heard about any company designing one?
Have a similar steering wheel on my Mustang Dark Horse and absolutely love it It is all in the eye of the beholder
 

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... from buying the new Expedition or Navigator. I have a 2018 Plat right now and I was thinking about a new one.

Last weekend I went on a trip to Kentucky to hit the Bourbon distilleries and rented a 2025 Expedition. I could not get used to that horrible shaped steering wheel. It is actually a deal breaker for me, there is no way I could drive with that.

With that said, if there were an aftermarket wheel available to swap I would buy one. Has anyone come across or heard about any company designing one?
Funny you say replace the steering wheel. that was one of the first things I did on my '19. Put the raptor wheel in. while i hate the red colored center strip, I wanted the paddle shifters. something an $80K+ vehicle should have had to start. I can get them on a Honda Civic. Worked great, still love it, use it all the time while towing or ascending/descending mountain passes.

Ford would be wise to make it either a build option or a part we can buy after purchase. and yes, it should have paddle shifters.
 

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Going back 30 years, my Ford steering wheels have all been extremely similar to one another. It would be tough to change drastically now.
 

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Going back 30 years, my Ford steering wheels have all been extremely similar to one another. It would be tough to change drastically now.
^ this

i think i could handle the flattened bottom - but not both the bottom & the top . it’s just too dissimilar - and again , only really an issue when releasing steep turns at slow / medium speed, and keeping my hand stationary letting the wheel slide through it as it goes back to center naturally. after numerous test drives, and paying closer attention once i get back in the Gen4 , i’ve found that i do this so often it’s enough to stay in a Gen4
 
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For ya'll looking at the Duramax, do some homework first. I had a mechanic let me know there is a PM part that is in the back of the engine and is a pain to change out and is super expensive because of labor.
For the other stuff, I know I'll probably catch flak for this, but I actually like a lot of the changes. I got rid of a 2WD 2016 EL XLT for a 4WD Active Max. I actually like the new car much more, and not just because its new. I like the new back gate more than I thought I would, my old car would have stuff roll to the back and fall out all the time when I opened the tailgate. I would have to open the back glass first and make sure nothing was leaning against the gate. And, the new one prevents my bumper from getting all banged up. The top of my old bumper was all scratched up from heavy stuff getting away while lifting it down, and the bottom door seal on the old one was all ripped up from stuff sliding past it. I never have to worry about that. The new steering wheel took a few weeks to get used to, but I like it more now, for cruising its more comfortable to hold onto the bottom of the wheel than my old car, and I do like looking OVER the wheel at the screen than through the wheel at the cluster. The headlight thing isn't too big of a deal, it defaults to auto, so even if you manually turn them off, the next time you start your car, they come back to auto. There are a bunch of other things I like as well, little things, all the USB-C power plugs, the top mounted rear windshield wiper, its bigger than my old one, the tires don't spin going up my driveway (my old car had new tires, and my new one just has the factory tires), I like the way the middle bench seats go forward to allow people in the back seat, more leg room in the middle bench, etc.
My one big complaint is the widgets on the primary display up on the dash, they need to allow us to bring back some regular gauges, like a real tac. With all the smarts onboard, I don't see why they couldn't give an option to really customize the right side of the screen. Have a few zones, and let us drag and drop stuff on there.
 

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For ya'll looking at the Duramax, do some homework first. I had a mechanic let me know there is a PM part that is in the back of the engine and is a pain to change out and is super expensive because of labor.
For the other stuff, I know I'll probably catch flak for this, but I actually like a lot of the changes. I got rid of a 2WD 2016 EL XLT for a 4WD Active Max. I actually like the new car much more, and not just because its new. I like the new back gate more than I thought I would, my old car would have stuff roll to the back and fall out all the time when I opened the tailgate. I would have to open the back glass first and make sure nothing was leaning against the gate. And, the new one prevents my bumper from getting all banged up. The top of my old bumper was all scratched up from heavy stuff getting away while lifting it down, and the bottom door seal on the old one was all ripped up from stuff sliding past it. I never have to worry about that. The new steering wheel took a few weeks to get used to, but I like it more now, for cruising its more comfortable to hold onto the bottom of the wheel than my old car, and I do like looking OVER the wheel at the screen than through the wheel at the cluster. The headlight thing isn't too big of a deal, it defaults to auto, so even if you manually turn them off, the next time you start your car, they come back to auto. There are a bunch of other things I like as well, little things, all the USB-C power plugs, the top mounted rear windshield wiper, its bigger than my old one, the tires don't spin going up my driveway (my old car had new tires, and my new one just has the factory tires), I like the way the middle bench seats go forward to allow people in the back seat, more leg room in the middle bench, etc.
My one big complaint is the widgets on the primary display up on the dash, they need to allow us to bring back some regular gauges, like a real tac. With all the smarts onboard, I don't see why they couldn't give an option to really customize the right side of the screen. Have a few zones, and let us drag and drop stuff on there.
Most of what you love about this (minus the tailgate changes) were somewhat available on the '18-'24 models. I agree on the cluster, it's literally less functional, but then again I think that's part of what we're saying. The new model is catering to a crowd that in many cases, don't even know what a tachometer is for, so it's not even an option. I love having a tac, having the ability to see what gear I'm in at any time, having diagnostics like temp(s), voltage, boost, etc. I don't trust these things to alert me before a problem occurs, I want to see it coming.
 

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As time goes on the new wheel becomes the new feel.

The brain adapts.

One hand on the top flat and a clear view of all controls. It is a Ford anyways, and Lock to Lock turning is better then all of the other brands.

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