Firemed57
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I think I'm in the Cam Phaser repair club. 2017 Exp with 167k. Should I do the full timing job with water pump? What timing kits do you recommend? Anything else to tackle while she's torn apart?
Thanks all
Thanks all
Timing Job. DIY or take this to the shop?
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S20Workstation4
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OEM Ford Timing Kit is your best bet.
If you have the expertise and knowledge, I would give it a go yourself!
If you have the expertise and knowledge, I would give it a go yourself!
Darkhorse16
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I did mine, it’s fairly in-depth and took a few days. It’s something you don’t want to have to redo for sure.
Highly recommend that you replace everything while you’re in there, chain, guides, tensioners etc.
I also installed a MELLING high volume oil pump, left the standard pressure spring in there, regardless of brand recommend new oil pump.
New water pump is a good idea as well, as you mentioned. I also put new tensioner and idler pulleys, plus new serpentine and A/C belts. Not a bad idea to replace cam solenoids too. Pretty sure I did vacuum pump as well. I also replaced every single gasket, intake, valve cover, etc.
I had already put on BD Diesel manifolds prior to, but honestly it’s such a pain, if you have everything out and off I would consider upgraded manifolds. Turbo coolant lines and fittings. I had also replaced both turbos, but that was due to a misdiagnosis, but with the mileage on yours I would check the shaft for play when you have the charge pipes off.
You’re absolutely going to need the timing tool kit, don’t skimp on it, get a good one.
I waited for and got the MELLING timing kit, which was new at the time through summit. Was quite disappointed that most of the parts were FORMOCO, just had the name sanded or grinded off. So ford brand is probably best, anything you buy will probably be ford anyway.
Lessons learned:
1. Cam bolts are torqued to crazy high, you need a good torx bit, one of my cam bolts stripped and I had to get an extractor that bit the outside edge to remove.
2. Passenger side valve cover has one more bolt on the backside than the driver one, and it’s kind of hidden. Didn’t know it was there, pried on and cracked that valve cover thinking it was just stuck.
3. Use ford brand sealant.
4. Take your time, have alternate means of transportation so that you don’t rush.
Lastly FordTechMakuloco has a multipart series on doing the job; recommend you watch all of it to see if it is something you can or want to attempt. It’s complex but don’t be discouraged; any shop you take it to will likely do the bare minimum and you will pay a lot for the labor. DIY allows you to genuinely assess the conditions of all components and repair, replace, or clean as necessary; while still costing less in total.
Part one of his series is here:
youtu.be
Highly recommend that you replace everything while you’re in there, chain, guides, tensioners etc.
I also installed a MELLING high volume oil pump, left the standard pressure spring in there, regardless of brand recommend new oil pump.
New water pump is a good idea as well, as you mentioned. I also put new tensioner and idler pulleys, plus new serpentine and A/C belts. Not a bad idea to replace cam solenoids too. Pretty sure I did vacuum pump as well. I also replaced every single gasket, intake, valve cover, etc.
I had already put on BD Diesel manifolds prior to, but honestly it’s such a pain, if you have everything out and off I would consider upgraded manifolds. Turbo coolant lines and fittings. I had also replaced both turbos, but that was due to a misdiagnosis, but with the mileage on yours I would check the shaft for play when you have the charge pipes off.
You’re absolutely going to need the timing tool kit, don’t skimp on it, get a good one.
I waited for and got the MELLING timing kit, which was new at the time through summit. Was quite disappointed that most of the parts were FORMOCO, just had the name sanded or grinded off. So ford brand is probably best, anything you buy will probably be ford anyway.
Lessons learned:
1. Cam bolts are torqued to crazy high, you need a good torx bit, one of my cam bolts stripped and I had to get an extractor that bit the outside edge to remove.
2. Passenger side valve cover has one more bolt on the backside than the driver one, and it’s kind of hidden. Didn’t know it was there, pried on and cracked that valve cover thinking it was just stuck.
3. Use ford brand sealant.
4. Take your time, have alternate means of transportation so that you don’t rush.
Lastly FordTechMakuloco has a multipart series on doing the job; recommend you watch all of it to see if it is something you can or want to attempt. It’s complex but don’t be discouraged; any shop you take it to will likely do the bare minimum and you will pay a lot for the labor. DIY allows you to genuinely assess the conditions of all components and repair, replace, or clean as necessary; while still costing less in total.
Part one of his series is here:
2011-2016 Ford F-150 3.5L Ecoboost Timing Set Replacement Part 1: Getting Inside the Engine
These are the Tools and Parts I Recommend:****LATEST PARTS****Fuel Pump Mounting Bolts (one bag of two bolts)-W503297S900Intake Phaser (2 Required)-http://am...
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