Cost of Ownership Comparison 2020 to 2018

Which would you buy


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JExpedition07

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I generally advise if you can fix your own buy old, if you cannot buy new. No judgment meant there whatsoever. If you cannot fix your own ride that down time can cost money and time fixing an old one. There also comes the point you have to pull the plug when they break all the time.
 

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Ford's CPO limit is 75K and 6 years. Anything newer with less than 75K miles is eligible to be certified.

You can't truly calculate cost-of-ownership until you have owned the vehicle for a bit. Expect that an Expedition is going to have a very high cost of ownership vs a smaller vehicle (more gas, more maintenance, more parts to fail [2 cats vs 1, etc.], etc.) and raise that cost higher for higher trim levels with more luxury features that are even further prone to failure. In short, if cost-of-ownership is paramount, an Expedition isn't a great choice and a late model Expedition is even worse.

Seriously?

Are the new overengineered motors and electronics that risky?

Cause the old V8's were gas hogs for sure, but otherwise price of ownership was dirt cheap compared to almost anything else on the market
 

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I agree with the principal that no debt is good debt, unless you are buying an appreciating asset. If you don't have the cash, you shouldn't be buying the car. I drove old cars, sent five kids to private college, amassed great real estate holdings and retired at 49.

But I understand it's more important for some people to have nice stuff. It's a choice. I never owned a nice truck in my life. Only if I had the cash, would I buy the 2018 because it would cost me $12,000 less than the 2021.

And if I could earn 8% on any investment, I'd spend $2500 on a 2000 Ford and put the other $45,000 into that investment. That would put another $400/month in my pocket.

And I wouldn't be bothered a bit by people making fun of my old Ford. I'd keep it real nice and I'd pick up their bar tab.

Don't need to spend 2500 on a 2000 model

Spend 3000-4000 and get a ~2012 Expedition SSV off the government
 

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Spend 3000-4000 and get a ~2012 Expedition SSV off the government
That's what I've always done, when I could find them. Getting harder these days and the agencies are keeping them longer. As these trucks become less utilitarian and more luxury, they're harder to find in the government auctions.
 

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Buying a car isn’t always about the money. Assuming it does have some first model year bugs, you can start having peace of mind issues with the 2018, especially putting your wife in the car.

Also, I always think buying the extended warranty is a waste of money if you really want to talk money. I used to work for insurance company, and those were one of the biggest profit centers. Pet insurance oddly was the most profitable.

Lastly, if it was really a 100% financial choice, you’d be buying a lease return Honda Pilot or something similar. Don’t discount the human element here. Get what you want if you hold your cars 7+ years since you are stuck with it for near a decade.
 

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Well I just stumbled upon this here thread and love love love it.

This is the debate of the times nowadays w unemployment, Greenies, gas prices, dollar devaluation, Bitcoin and silver, interest rates.

I love economics and have two financial services licenses.

The current economic metrics are counterintuitive for sure.

In the end I believe we’re in a big bubble now. Boats, RV’s, homes, stocks, even Bitcoin is over valued. But interest rates are dirt cheap.

Price of goods is escalating quietly (many are ignorant) the Fed is flooding the market w dollars which pushed its value further down.

New regulations will handcuff many small businesses which will cause them to shed workers even further.

Conclusion you aks?
See above, draw your own.
I’m staying out of long term debt ie car payments and other toys and luxury items. I’ll buy for pennies on the dollar during fire sales “ must go” type listings.

I just moved from Illinois back to Florida last August. Sold my house in one day. Renting now buying in summer. Also buying a boat because I stupidly sold my Sea Ray when I moved.

The house I’m shopping for is half the price of one I just sold.
Boat will be cash. No cc debt and my sons prep school tuition $1150/mo ends this May.

I’ll be throwing that money into silver/gold 401k, and some Bitcoin after the next correction.

Enjoy those car payments!
 

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Machete, my views are aligned exactly with yours. I'm stuck in New York but looking for a better place. After finishing my work I retired very early and lived off rental property. I've sold most of them, paid the mortgages on the rest and added to physical gold.

The bubble is huge,and most of the appreciating assets that traditionally defined Middle Class have been replaced by debt. Those without income producing physical assets or marketable skills will starve in the coming inflation. The can's being kicked down the road one last time and the bubble will burst.

There will be a fire sale in stuff that people can no longer afford.

At least that's how I see it. The middle class will be beaten down into a working class that labors to pay bills and feed debt. The working class is being reduced to a mob with their hands out and will trade their freedoms for a bologna sandwich.

Financial independence and security will be rare as competition for jobs become a race to the bottom. Some crumbs will be scattered out by government in exchange for control and freedoms.

Sounds like you're on a great track. Real estate here had a big run-up and is now languishing. Lower interest will no longer help. Wait for the hype to slow down and the bills come due before you buy. Life is too short to be imprisoned by debt.

Just beware of the tax-and-spend socialists from New York that invade your Florida paradise and demand the changes that destroyed this place.

What do you see coming down the pike?
 
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Machete

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Machete, my views are aligned exactly with yours. I'm stuck in New York but looking for a better place. After finishing my work I retired very early and lived off rental property. I've sold most of them, paid the mortgages on the rest and added to physical gold.

The bubble is huge,and most of the appreciating assets that traditionally defined Middle Class have been replaced by debt. Those without income producing physical assets or marketable skills will starve in the coming inflation. The can's being kicked down the road one last time and the bubble will burst.

There will be a fire sale in stuff that people can no longer afford.

At least that's how I see it. The middle class will be beaten down into a working class that labors to pay bills and feed debt. The working class is being reduced to a mob with their hands out and will trade their freedoms for a bologna sandwich.

Financial independence and security will be rare as competition for jobs become a race to the bottom. Some crumbs will be scattered out by government in exchange for control and freedoms.

Sounds like you're on a great track. Real estate here had a big run-up and is now languishing. Lower interest will no longer help. Wait for the hype to slow down and the bills come due before you buy. Life is too short to be imprisoned by debt.

Just beware of the tax-and-spend socialists from New York that invade your Florida paradise and demand the changes that destroyed this place.

What do you see coming down the pike?

Speaking with a couple real estate agents, they are saying this summer home inventory will increase in Florida. Many from up north moved down to Fl in a panic, never sold their houses there, and now are looking to return because 1) they can't sell their houses 2) they really miss their families and want to move back 3) States are signaling relaxing their shutdowns.

I found that very interesting. The same can be said about boats. Many first time boat buyers who were unaware of the maintenance costs associated with boats.

In Florida, jobs continue to open up in the travel & leisure, and restaurant sectors. DeSantis is doing a great job and we enjoy no mask mandates and going out to restaurants.

COVID rates continue to plummet here, many northerners have gotten their vaccines here. As the weather improves Spring and Summer many will flock back north and snowbirds return. Florida will be fine.

With the chaos at the southern border, low wage job seeking Americans will struggle to compete as you said to the bottom. I expect an eventual bursting of the bubble but I believe the air will deflate initially slowly then increase in speed until finally a burst with market corrections, inflation, interest rate spikes, and higher unemployment.

The entire economy is buttressed by fiat money the Fed is flooding into the public. As that money dries out people will find themselves hoodwinked. Hopefully. And get back to sound living principles.
 

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I paid cash (ok check) for my 2019 Max new and I still have payments - to myself (savings). My dad taught me that if I did this, interest works for me and not against me. Been doing this since 1976 and it works. My overall out of pocket costs for transportation are significantly lower than if I had financed vehicles. Of course, I also drive them til they drop.
 
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