Thinking about a 2012 limited (not EL)

[gigantapithic]

Just sold my 05 eddie bauer. You might remember it:

http://www.expeditionforum.com/f41/error-codes-error-codes-more-error-codes-21023/

http://www.expeditionforum.com/f44/fuel-injectors-ruined-engine-21082/

http://www.expeditionforum.com/f44/25c-expys-not-feeling-great-22006/

First did the brakes
Then fuel injector failed (1) dumped gas into engine. So a new short block, new tranny lines, all new injectors, all new plugs, new cat converters, etc.
Cost me about $3,000 with dealer picking up 1 plug, 1 injectors, 1 cat converter and the short block. I paid for the tranny lines, 7 plugs, 7 injectors.

Then I had to get the second cat convertor done or they wouldn't warranty the engine.

Then it still sounded rough and was feeling cold and sluggish, so I got a new thermostat

Then it died. Fuel pump module replaced

Then it started sputtering and CEL'd. New coil needed, which fried my plug and did a cylinder misfire.

So I sold it and probably got back cost of vehicle, plus $4,000 after putting in $5,000 myself.

Now I've got $10,000 and don't have a vehicle.

I want a full sized SUV that can tow.

Debating between a 2012 expy with 80,000 kms or a Tahoe/Yukon of similar cost. I say cost because the latter seem to be more expensive. What I really love on the expy's is the flush seats. Fold down and disappear. Don't like how the Yukon's and Tahoe's have the take out seats.

Anyway, am I being a knob in going with an expy again. Obviously this forum will have it's bias's. Did I just get a lemon and should be okay to try another one? I really like the look of the expy but man, what an ordeal the past 8 months have been. Borderline embarrassing.

I guess I should get out and drive a few.

Opinions would be appreciated. Thanks for reading the narrative

 

[tojohnso]

I have a 2011 EL and love it. Have only had it for a year. It had 15K on it and I've put 11K in the year I've had it. My previous was a '99.

I've known a couple friends who had a 2nd gen Expy and an F150 with the 5.4. Both had engine issues that seemed odd to me. Like what you experienced. So I did a lot of research prior to buying my '11. Including the consideration of a GM product. I have a father in law and a friend who have GMC Yukon's - one standard, one XL. When compared to the Expedition, I just can't get passed what I perceive as poor finish quality of the interior. Anyway - I found that some of the 2nd gen Expys and similar year F150s had issues with the 5.4s, including my friends. Not everyone experienced the same thing so it wasn't as prolific as it seemed to me. As far as I know, most of the kinks had been worked out by the time the 3rd Gen and I'd go so far to say especially the later 3rd Gens came around. Time will tell, but I wouldn't have it any other way. People have issues with the GM products too.

I will say this - when you buy the '12, get the Ford extended warranty with it. Haggle with the dealer and don't accept anything less than $600 off. You may be able to get more than $1000 off. Only buy the Ford, not an after market. Then, you won't have to worry about it.

Good luck in your decision. I would definitely drive an EL. It's better for towing with the longer wheelbase and the ride is incredible. Drive all of them until you are satisfied.

 

[Mangina]

Just sold my 05 eddie bauer. You might remember it:

http://www.expeditionforum.com/f41/error-codes-error-codes-more-error-codes-21023/

http://www.expeditionforum.com/f44/fuel-injectors-ruined-engine-21082/

http://www.expeditionforum.com/f44/25c-expys-not-feeling-great-22006/

First did the brakes
Then fuel injector failed (1) dumped gas into engine. So a new short block, new tranny lines, all new injectors, all new plugs, new cat converters, etc.
Cost me about $3,000 with dealer picking up 1 plug, 1 injectors, 1 cat converter and the short block. I paid for the tranny lines, 7 plugs, 7 injectors.

Then I had to get the second cat convertor done or they wouldn't warranty the engine.

Then it still sounded rough and was feeling cold and sluggish, so I got a new thermostat

Then it died. Fuel pump module replaced

Then it started sputtering and CEL'd. New coil needed, which fried my plug and did a cylinder misfire.

So I sold it and probably got back cost of vehicle, plus $4,000 after putting in $5,000 myself.

Now I've got $10,000 and don't have a vehicle.

I want a full sized SUV that can tow.

Debating between a 2012 expy with 80,000 kms or a Tahoe/Yukon of similar cost. I say cost because the latter seem to be more expensive. What I really love on the expy's is the flush seats. Fold down and disappear. Don't like how the Yukon's and Tahoe's have the take out seats.

Anyway, am I being a knob in going with an expy again. Obviously this forum will have it's bias's. Did I just get a lemon and should be okay to try another one? I really like the look of the expy but man, what an ordeal the past 8 months have been. Borderline embarrassing.

I guess I should get out and drive a few.

Opinions would be appreciated. Thanks for reading the narrative

Wow, I don't think anyone would blame you for not getting another Expedition. I looked at Tahoes/Yukons as well, but like you mentioned they are a lot more money for a similarly equipped truck. I also got a little worried about the AFM cylinder shutdown oil burning issues with the 5.3.

 

[MoHawk]

I love my Expy. Then again, the truck is in the shop and my rental is a 2014 Yukon XL... I like it. But like you said, I like the flush, power-fold seats.

 

[gigantapithic]

Thanks for the replies so far.

Just drove a 2011 Armada Platinum.

Enjoyed it - also drove a 11 Denali, enjoyed that, but it was dark out and I couldn't really enjoy all the interior and fiddle like I could in the Armada.

 

[01yellerCobra]

FWIW we bought our 08 EL last October. I've put over 20k on it and the only issue so far was a damaged seat track that was replaced under warranty.

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[ezeq]

Love my 07 Expy, never let me down on this kind of winter weather. My wife also planning to get an F150.

 

[gigantapithic]

Any thoughts on this? I'm looking for HD Tow package to pull the max weight of the expy.
Also noticed no limited slip diff. Given I live in a snowy climate should this be a concern?

Primary Features
Build Date: 26.10.2010
Vehicle Line: Expedition (2003-)
Body Style: Extended Wagon
Version: Cargo 1519 Series
Engine: 5.4L 3V V8
Transmission: 6 Speed Automatic Trans (6R80)
Drive: LHD 4WD (PTD)
Axle Ratio: 3.73
Emission: With 49 State/Non Green State Req
Air Conditioning: HD ATC Air Conditioning
Paint: Tuxedo Black





Minor Features


• Charcoal Black Interior
• Verona
• Less Underbody Protection
• With Power Liftgate
• With Under Floor Stowage
• 131"/3327.4MM Wheelbase
• Limited
• (-) Version Packages
• Less Special Purpose Vehicle
• Kentucky Truck Plant Build
• Less Convenience Group
• Less Special Value Packages
• With Memory Pack
• Feature Content Group 2
• With Roll Stability Control
• English/French NAS Language Label
• English NAS Owner Handbook
• With Electric Rear Quarter Window
• With Privacy Glass
• With Mini Overhead Console
• Console-Floor-Full W/Chrome
• Memory Adjustable Foot Pedals
• With Carpet Floor Covering Level 1
• Front Floor Carpet Mats
• Rear Floor Carpet Mats
• S/V-DU Drivers Illum/Garage Dr Open
• Less Stowage Bins
• With Cargo Area Mgmt System Level 1
• With Gloss Monochrome Running Board
• Chrome-Plated
• With Chrome Roof Rack W/Cross Bars
• With Colour Keyed Wheel Lip M'lding
• Lower Painted Cladding
• Electro Mirror W/Mic/Camera Display
• Driver Pwr Fold/Pwr Adjust Mirror
• Pass Power Fold/Power Adjust Mirror
• With Body Coloured Exterior Mirror
• With Signal Mirror System
• With Drivers Heated And Cooled Seat
• With Pass Heated And Cooled Seat
• With Heated Rear Seats
• With Leather 2nd Row Seat Material
• Second Row 40-20-40 Seats
• With Third Row Power Folding Seat
• With Driver 10 Way Pwr Seat Adjust
• With Pass 10 Way Power Seat Adjust
• With Programmable Driver Seat
• With 3rd Row Vinyl Seat Material
• With Heavy Duty Trailer Towing
• With Front Towing Hook
• With Trailer Sway Control (TSC)
• With Chrome Exterior Door Handle
• Rain Sensitive Windshield Wipers
• Power Tilt/Slide Sun Roof
• Front Bumper Painted In Bodycolour
• Rear Bumper Body Coloured Painted
• With Front Licence Plate Bracket
• Belt/Dr & Pa Fr/1,2&3 Row Restraint
• With Steel Spare Wheel
• With 4 Wheel Tyre Pressure Sensors
• 20 X 8.5" Polished Aluminium Wheel
• P275/55R20" BSW A/S
• With Super Engine Cooling System
• Immersion Heater Engine
• With 49 State/Non Green State Req
• With Standard Suspension
• 3.73
• Less Rear Axle Limited Slip Diff
• With Chrome Exhaust Pipe Extension
• With 4 Wheel Disc-Brake
• Normal Fuel Fill
• Less Fuel Kit - FIA
• Less DVD Pack - FIA
• Less Remote Starter - FIA
• Heavy Duty Aux Trans Oil Cooler
• 4X4 2 Speed Transfer Case With Tod
• FFV-(Ethanol) Fuel
• With Man Rake/Floor Shift Strg Col
• With Wood Steering Wheel
• Redundant Controls - Steering Wheel
• With KMH/MPH Speedometer
• With Message Centre
• With Reverse Proximity Sensor
• Standard Duty Battery
• 110v Alt Current Oulet-In Cab
• Prem AM/FM Stro/CD Changer/Clock
• With Satellite Radio Reception
• With NAAO Radio Frequency
• Less Headphones/Sockets - Rear
• Premium Sound System Level 2
• Less Television Package
• With Media Gateway Module
• With Universal Garage Door Opener
• Rr View Camera-Lic Plate Area Mount
• With Complex Reflect B/Out Headlamp
• With Daytime Running Lamps
• Tuxedo Black
• Generic Country Group 2
• (+)"CDN"
• (-) GVMT Service Administration
• (-)"USA"
• (-)"GU"
• (-)"BRN"
• (-)"BZ"
• (-)"IS"
• (-)"ATG"
• (-)"PH"
• (-)"AW"
• Fleet

 

[gigantapithic]

Or I could try this Navi

Primary Features
Build Date: 13.03.2007
Vehicle Line: Navigator (2003-)
Body Style: 4 Door Wagon
Version: Lincoln/Mercury Series
Engine: 5.4L 3V V8
Transmission: 6 Speed Auto ZF 6HP26 Steptronic
Drive: LHD 4WD (PTD)
Axle Ratio: 3.73
Emission: With 49 State/Non Green State Req
Air Conditioning: HD ATC Air Conditioning
Paint: Pueblo Gold





Minor Features


• Camel Interior
• Soho
• Less Underbody Protection
• With Power Liftgate
• With Under Floor Stowage
• 119"/3023MM Wheelbase
• Navigator Version
• Less Special Purpose Vehicle
• Michigan Plant Built
• Canadian Sales
• Less Convenience Group
• Less Military Vehicles
• Less Special Value Packages
• Less Exterior Appearance Pack
• Less Sales Feature - Level 1
• With Memory Pack
• Feature Content Group 2
• 2007 Job #2 Program Control
• With Roll Stability Control
• With English Language Label
• English NAS Owner Handbook
• With Electric Rear Quarter Window
• With Privacy Glass
• With Mini Overhead Console
• With Full Floor Console
• With 2nd Row Console
• Memory Adjustable Foot Pedals
• Interior Trim Accent Pack B
• Front Floor Carpet Mats
• Rear Floor Carpet Mats
• S/V-DU Drivers Illum/Garage Dr Open
• Pass Sunvisor-Dual/Lt/Illum/Mirror
• Less Cargo Stowage Rack/Rail
• With Power Deployable Running Board
• Partial Grille - Hood Mtd Chrome
• With Chrome Roof Rack W/Cross Bars
• Lower Body Side Moulding - Chrome
• Less Side Auxiliary Step
• With Electrochromic R/View Mirror
• Drv Pwr Heated Mir Memory Pwr Fold
• Pass Pwr Heated Mir Memory Pwr Fold
• With Body Coloured Exterior Mirror
• With Signal Mirror System
• Driver Heated Seat-Variable Temp
• With Heated Pass Seat-Variable Temp
• With Leather 2nd Row Seat Material
• 2nd Row Low Back Bucket Seats
• With Third Row Power Folding Seat
• With Driver 10 Way Pwr Seat Adjust
• With Pass 10 Way Power Seat Adjust
• With 3rd Row Vinyl Seat Material
• With Heavy Duty Trailer Towing
• With Front Towing Hook
• Body Coloured Tailgate Handle
• Door Entry Remote Control-5 Button
• Power Tilt/Slide Sun Roof
• Front Bumper Painted Accent Colour
• Rear Bumper - Step Accent Colour
• With Front Licence Plate Bracket
• Air Curtain Restrnt LH
• Air Curtain Restrnt RH
• With Driver Air Bag
• With Passenger Air Bag
• With E-Coated Steel 20" Spare Wheel
• With 4 Wheel Tyre Pressure Sensors
• Less Rear Shock Absorbers
• 20 X 8.5" Alum Chrome Plt Spl Spoke
• P275/55R20" BSW A/S
• With Super Engine Cooling System
• Immersion Heater Engine
• With 49 State/Non Green State Req
• With Rear Load Levelling Suspension
• 3.73
• Less Rear Axle Limited Slip Diff
• With Chrome Exhaust Pipe Extension
• With 4 Wheel Disc-Brake
• Normal Fuel Fill
• Less Remote Starter - FIA
• Heavy Duty Aux Trans Oil Cooler
• 4X4 1 Speed Transfer Case With TOD
• With Non Locking Fuel Cap
• For Unleaded Fuel
• With KMH/MPH Speedometer
• With Message Centre
• With Reverse Proximity Sensor
• Standard Duty Battery
• Heavy Duty Alternator
• Prem AM/FM Stro/CD Changer/Clock
• With Satellite Radio Reception
• With NAAO Radio Frequency
• Less Headphones/Sockets - Rear
• With THX Audiophile Sound System
• Less Television Package
• With Universal Garage Door Opener
• Less 4X4 Version Pack
• High Intensity Discharge Headlamp
• With Daytime Running Lamps
• With Front Fog Lamps
• With Interior Courtesy Lamp
• With Automatic Headlamp On/Off
• Pueblo Gold
• Generic Country Group 2
• Less B&A Control Codes Issue 030388
• With Overspeed Warning Disabled
• (+)"CDN"
• (-)"N"
• (-) GVMT Service Administration
• (-)"USA"
• (-)"RA"
• (-)"GU"
• (-)"BRN"
• (-)"CHN"
• (-)"AW"
• Less Ultimate Package
• Fleet

 

[RI-Matt]

Any thoughts on this? I'm looking for HD Tow package to pull the max weight of the expy.
Also noticed no limited slip diff. Given I live in a snowy climate should this be a concern?

Both ones you posted have the HD Tow Package but I would go for the 2010 Expy if it were me, the 07's 5.4 had spark plug issues.
Unless you get a 2WD fleet version you can't get limited slip diff.
My Expy handles the snow without any issues. With all the Advance Trac technology stuff I dont think you should have any concerns.



Matt