cold tire pressures? for comfort? for mpg? for tire life?

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I know trucks air up crazy high for towing, and 4x4 offroaders air down for certain situations... so my '09 4x4 should be able to deal with a huge range of pressures, not just door sticker recommendations.

But what PSI do you ACTUALLY run???

And if you usually run RWD on dry pavement, do you inflate it like you would a big engined RWD vehicle, or is the logic for trucks totally different???


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On my '15 EL, I run P rated Hankook's at 38 psi cold with the max inflation rating of the tires at 44 psi. Giving the 6k weight of the truck, this seems to have settled in the best, allowing for confident cornering and still giving a smooth enough ride. We just ran about 600 miles loaded up with my wife, the grandkids and, seemingly, half the house and it performed well, even at one time hitting 20+ MPG.
 

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I typically have them put in 2 lbs over the recommended pressure. That allows a little stiffer ride without causing the center to wear prematurely. On the trip out, I had 36.1 PSI in each tire. We got 18.2 MPG but we only had 1400 miles on it when we started out so the engine is still breaking in.
 

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Depends entirely on the tire. With p rated I run them max psi. Mine is 44psi. But if I decide to run a lt I will watch tread ware and how the truck handles. For a continuous off road yes I do air them down to around 35.

Our vehicles are pretty heavy.

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Depends entirely on the tire. With p rated I run them max psi. Mine is 44psi. But if I decide to run a lt I will watch tread ware and how the truck handles. For a continuous off road yes I do air them down to around 35.

Our vehicles are pretty heavy.

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How would you change LT pressures, which direction and by how much and on what basis?
 

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Each tire brand will design tires differently. Also different tire rating change the over all handling of a vehicle.

With that said some LT rated tires can have a higher psi rating. On our vehicle the weight is close to 50/50. So I would still inflate to near max psi with my current tires.

Keeping in mind LT tires are a heavy duty P tire. But different brands make different styles. So all rating are not equal brand to brand.

Back on track. I run max psi all the time because I buy the proper tire rating for my vehicle/driving habits.

If I was towing I would get a D rated tire. My air pressure would be balanced front and back.

I would change my tire pressures so I had as much even tire ware on the entire tire. If it felt like a boat swaying I would take the tires to max psi. If I was running a heavy tireD or E rating I would air down as needed when running empty.


Hope that is clear as mud

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In the example of a basketball the less air you have the less it bounces. Pump that sucker up and it turns into a rock and bounces. But inflate the ball to the recommended air pressure and it's manageable.

By boat sway I am trying to explain a lack in confidence through turns or a side wind or a bumpy road. Where the steering feels soft or slow in response. Or you drive over chatter bumps pot holes and it feels like the vehicle wants to go in another direction than what you want.

(Not to leave out possible worn broke suspension parts. But we're talking about tires)

i said that trying to separate sway and bounce.
 

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Higher air pressure = less bouncy ride?

Passenger tires, which are normally what is installed on people-haulers, are built for comfort and have thinner sidewalls and softer compounds. As a trade off you can get a mushy ride and when cornering, can feel very soft so you inflate the air pressure to compensate for this. This is also why the max pressure on the tire is lower since they're not really meant for carrying heavy loads but for more people-comfort so they're not designed for 'big' weights. You will also notice a bulge in the sidewall under normal pressures which can get cut easier if you stress the tire off-road or over rough terrain. What the manufacturer recommends for tire inflation is just that, a recommendation. Tires can be adjusted for ride and load which is why you can put more air in a passenger tire than recommended and still get a good ride out if it. This also depends on the size of the wheel and the amount of sidewall which is why car manufacturers go to larger wheels and low profile tires. It gives the option of running a softer 'passenger' tire with a smaller sidewall which decreases the 'mushy' feeling of the drive and makes the driving characteristics of the vehicle better.

Load bearing tires like D's and E's have thicker compounds, more belts and can withstand higher loads. They also have less flex and can cause very rough riding. These are normally 'truck tires' although many put them on smaller vehicles like Jeeps. Since the heavier tire causes the small vehicle to ride like crap, they will deflate them so it will ride softer. For example, I had E rated tires on my Rubicon when I first got it and it was a horrible ride. Even though the tires were rated for 80 PSI and the door sticker on the Jeep recommended 37 PSI, they rode the best at 25 PSI and still provided the thicker, heavier construction for off-roading over stones and sharp objects that would puncture passenger tires. Also, since they were a heavier designed tire, running at 25 PSI didn't cause 'mushy' driving characteristics. I've now gone back to stock p-tires but even though the recommended tire pressure is 37 PSI, I run 32 PSI since the Jeep is so light.

If you stick with factory design, stick with factory specs and generally you'll be good. When you start deviating you have to use a bit of 'redneck science' such as in the "tire chalk test".
 

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I know trucks air up crazy high for towing, and 4x4 offroaders air down for certain situations... so my '09 4x4 should be able to deal with a huge range of pressures, not just door sticker recommendations.
Not really accurate !

Off roaders are not driving as fast as you on streets or for as many mile/hours. Heat kill tires and low pressure mean more sidewall flex and more heat. 2-3 psi either way will not hurt, but it will probably not have much of an affect.

I do tend to run mine 2 psi over the door sticker when I am doing a lot of highway driving.
 

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When I got my '07 Expy the tires only had 30 psi in them instead of the 35 psi that the door post sticker recommended and they felt way too soft. I bumped them up to 35 and the truck felt 100% better. Later I tried 38 psi and the ride was a bit harsh. You would do well to experiment a little (and I said 'a little') with pressures but not lower than stock unless you are going over sand or something where traction is needed and speeds are slow. I only went 3 over and could already feel it so the engineers were very reasonable on mine but some vehicles have recommendations that are more toward comfort than handling or mileage and raising them makes a nice improvement.
 

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Lots or responses to a simple asked question. I run 36-38psi in our Expys. Look up the tire specs...max tire load is at 35 PSI, max inflation is 44psi. Anything over 35psi will not increase the load capacity only the stiffness of the ride.
 

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Not everyone runs stock tires. I did try to explain it without going to far in left field.

Swagonmaster explained it very well too.

Don't base tire PSI or use of vehicle on the owners manual unless using those original stock tires.

Learn about the tires currently on your vehicle.

CJ
 
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Not everyone runs stock tires. I did try to explain it without going to far in left field.

Swagonmaster explained it very well too.

Don't base tire PSI or use of vehicle on the owners manual unless using those original stock tires.

Learn about the tires currently on your vehicle.

CJ

And that's where the real confusion starts...

So what's the theory on how to adjust the door recommended pressures to LT-rated A/T allseasoners for our trucks??

Also, apparently it's only really relevant to the standard rim sizes equipped? cuz I know my other car, bimmer 335d, recommends 35/42 - 38/46 (>100mph), but some owners with different wheel packages report sticker recommendations of up to 42/51 (51!!!!)
 
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Each tire brand will design tires differently. Also different tire rating change the over all handling of a vehicle.

With that said some LT rated tires can have a higher psi rating. On our vehicle the weight is close to 50/50. So I would still inflate to near max psi with my current tires.

Keeping in mind LT tires are a heavy duty P tire. But different brands make different styles. So all rating are not equal brand to brand.

Back on track. I run max psi all the time because I buy the proper tire rating for my vehicle/driving habits.

If I was towing I would get a D rated tire. My air pressure would be balanced front and back.

I would change my tire pressures so I had as much even tire ware on the entire tire. If it felt like a boat swaying I would take the tires to max psi. If I was running a heavy tireD or E rating I would air down as needed when running empty.


Hope that is clear as mud

CJ

Inflating the tires to max. can help but I believe that most boat trailer sway is caused by not enough tongue weight. You should have near 10% of the towed weight on the tongue.
 

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Everything you would need to know.

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