I recommend considering the Max even if you don’t think you’ll need the extra trunk space. The Max can fit a sheet of plywood or drywall in the back with both rows folded down, and the larger gas tank size is nice too.
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We looked at a regular expedition and a max. The regular didn't have much more room then my Taurus x behind the third row. Definitely need the max, unless you wouldn't use the third row and could leave thay down. Not the case at our house.I recommend considering the Max even if you don’t think you’ll need the extra trunk space. The Max can fit a sheet of plywood or drywall in the back with both rows folded down, and the larger gas tank size is nice too.
What alternate universe are y'all living in?We get amazing gas mileage in the Expedition (average 20-22 when driving city or when driving 75 on the highway and if we are driving at lower RPMs around 60 mph we can get 27-32 all day.
I’m averaging 17 city, 22 hwy in a 22 limited max.
If you drive right, the 4th gens are massively more efficient than the 3rd gen, except for towing.What alternate universe are y'all living in?Or are the Gen4 Expeditions magical? 3.13 (?) axles on my 2017 Gen3 and according to the computer my average fuel use (hard to write "economy") this morning (just checked) after 33,000 miles is 16.4mpg. I'll try to reset one trip odometer next week when I'll be pulling my camper from Vermont to Gettysburg and then "on to Richmond" a day or two later. Can't vouch for the computer's accuracy but every time I try to do this manually the receipts from the gas station disappear.
MUCH better fuel mileage than my previous 5.4V8 with 3.73 axles but both with the 6-speed gearbox which I assume have similar ratios. That Expedition got 9mpg towing. I'm hoping for 12 with this one. When towing I run the speed limit so as not to impede too much traffic.
Anyway, after 15 years with the Expedition it'll be hard to give up when (or if) I no longer have a camper. We tied a kayak my adult daughter just had to have inside it. Half stuck out the back but we got it home 20 miles. Not sure she's used it in two years...
-- Chuck
I believe I've seen your post on the Tremor Forum. I have both a 2021 F250 Tremor and a 2022 Expedition Max Stealth. We're a family of 7 with a large dog. We use the Expedition for everything! If I wasn't such a truck guy, I would have a 2nd Expedition, probably a Timberline. Most of the time I'll take the Expedition over my truck when its just me and the oldest as well.I was about to order a '23 F350 Tremor to be the ultimate family hauling rig. I've a had a couple superduty trucks in the past and they're great. My last truck was a '18 F150 3.5 and it was awesome. I had to sell it do this overseas military tour we're on. But we're moving back soon and need a family hauler. I'm starting to second guess this decision and thinking maybe an Expedition Timberline will do a better job.
We're a family of 4 plus a 100 pound dog. Lots of baseball and soccer mom weekends, road trips, ski trips etc. I don't even currently have a trailer to tow. But one of my requirements is being able to tow my 4 door Jeep Rubicon on a car trailer if I want to take it to far away places like Moab UT from the East Coast. That would be maybe once a year or less.
Just typing this already sounds like the SUV is the way to go. I just wanted to see what ya'll think.
Finally, as much as I don't want to spend all the money on the high line trim, those captain chairs are pretty much essential for the dog to move around on long trips, plus ease of getting to the 3rd row for the kids if I need to haul more adults like taking the grandparents somewhere.
You do know that the tongue weight of the trailer counts as cargo weight, right? So a 7900 pound trailer with 10% tongue weight (790 pounds) takes that 790 off your 1400 pounds of cargo capacity and leaves you 610 pounds of cargo capacity. Two people and 3 dogs can easily exceed that with nothing else in the vehicle.The only reason I'm on my 2d Expedition (2007 and 2017) is to tow my 6000 pound camper trailer. Not sure what your trailer weighs.
Took me a while to find an Expedition withOUT the "Captains" seats. My three dogs ride back there and there's no way to keep them in the seats. My son-in-law likes them for his two infant children.
Expedition can tow about 9300 pounds (empty). Cargo and passengers are limited to about 1400 pounds leaving you with 7900 pounds of trailer if the truck is fully loaded. Maximum towing capacity is just that. I follow the One Ton Rule which states the truck must have 2000 pounds more towing capacity than the trailer weighs.
Expedition has much of the towing capacity of a F150 but I'm not lugging a pickup truck every day of the week.
-- Chuck