I am planning on buying a 2008 xlt that has tan leather in it right now but doesn't have a third row in it currently. I have found a killer deal on some mint Eddie Bauer 2 tone seats that I want to buy and replace the whole set with. Problem is, these are Power fold and the expedition doesn't have the power fold option. Question is does anyone know how hard it will be to wire it up if I get the buttons and wires for it or even if I can make the power fold into a manual fold? I would honestly rather them be manual so I wouldn't have to worry about more electronics to mess up etc but I am game either way. Any help is greatly appreciated!
Powerfold Seat Question
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Start by checking to see if there us any wiring in the back where the seat goes. A lot of manufacturers usually use the same harness for all there models even if it doesn't have the options. Since you don't have the seat installed you can get in and probe around. Also check your central junction box (fuse box) if the fuse locations are available.
jeff kushner
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I'm pretty sure that you will want to look under the passenger side, rear panel for the connections. I know that you are right when it applies to the heated/ac seats...the ducts and wiring is already there even if the seats aren't ordered.
let us know what you find!
jeff
let us know what you find!
jeff
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What do you mean by it doesn't have a 3rd row in it currently? Does it look like it was built without one, or was the 3rd row removed and a large hole exists? I'd proceed with caution on modifying this one if you buy it.
In 2008 one could certainly get a standard length Expedition XLT without a 3rd row. But it had cloth interior. When you added the optional leather to a standard length XLT, the manual folding vinyl 3rd row seat was included automatically. Power folding was then an option on top of the leather option. In other words, Ford didn't offer leather seats without a 3rd row.
Is the current drivers front seat power? If not, I suspect the truck was a fleet/SSV that either currently has vinyl (way too often mistaken as leather) or has aftermarket leather installed. The mint EB two-tone interior you are wanting to replace it with will certainly have 10-way power and climate controlled seats. When you start getting into things like side impact airbags, advanced seating position sensors and occupant detection, there is a lot of wiring, and CANBUS / BCM programming to consider.
Wiring harnesses, even the pin outs on those harness, vary by year and even differ between early and late production runs. Third row could be the least of your worries. Without intimate knowledge of the Expeditions wiring, its not a project I'd even consider.
In 2008 one could certainly get a standard length Expedition XLT without a 3rd row. But it had cloth interior. When you added the optional leather to a standard length XLT, the manual folding vinyl 3rd row seat was included automatically. Power folding was then an option on top of the leather option. In other words, Ford didn't offer leather seats without a 3rd row.
Is the current drivers front seat power? If not, I suspect the truck was a fleet/SSV that either currently has vinyl (way too often mistaken as leather) or has aftermarket leather installed. The mint EB two-tone interior you are wanting to replace it with will certainly have 10-way power and climate controlled seats. When you start getting into things like side impact airbags, advanced seating position sensors and occupant detection, there is a lot of wiring, and CANBUS / BCM programming to consider.
Wiring harnesses, even the pin outs on those harness, vary by year and even differ between early and late production runs. Third row could be the least of your worries. Without intimate knowledge of the Expeditions wiring, its not a project I'd even consider.
The guy bought it from the original owner and said that the original owner ordered it with no third row because he wanted the extra cargo space instead...the seats that are in it are tan and they are either leather or vinyl but they are power
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If you have access to the truck, I am curious: On the driver side door jamb is a sticker. It'll have an interior code below the barcode. In the example below, the code I am referring to is shown as 4C:
Curious if yours with the Camel interior is MC, FC, or 1C.
Curious if yours with the Camel interior is MC, FC, or 1C.
If you have access to the truck, I am curious: On the driver side door jamb is a sticker. It'll have an interior code below the barcode. In the example below, the code I am referring to is shown as 4C:
Curious if yours with the Camel interior is MC, FC, or 1C.
I'll have him send me a pic of it but I don't have access to it right now
Nope
Ssvs have power driver sets too. And EBs dont have climate just memory for the driver seat which is a pita...otherwise all bolts right in
The SOLE issues transplanting eddie bauer seats into an SSV/xlt is power for the driver seat and power fold for the 3rd row
Source: SSV owner with 7 EB seats i transplanted.... driver seat still on my todo list, third row is inbut currently unpowered/lockedupright
PS make sure to get the passenger side rear plastic trim panel wkth the buttons if you wanna retrofit third row. And youll need a reamer or the pillar panels to get seatbelts installed
PPS eb second and third rows are vinyl too
ebasista
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Yes, you can add the 3rd row. I bought a SSV package and put leather seats from a 2010 into her. The rear will have all the holes for the seats, however you need the special self tapping bolts to connect the seats to the body. You will also need the seatbelts/brackets and have to modify the rear pillar plastic to attach the shoulder belt. The power part, you will need to purchase a harness, or make one and connect it to power in the passenger rear panel.
Was the power connector port to plug the harness in already there or did it require some ghetto engineering?
star-art
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I know this is an old thread but I was researching this same thing while looking to buy an XL that was missing the third row seats. First, the seat belts for the third row should be bolted to the "D" pillar ONLY if you have a "shorty" model. EL models should NOT be bolted there (I've actually seen a truck for sale with this incorrect seat belt installation). EL models have the seat belts bolted to the roof. Make sure your seat belt hardware is correctly installed and factory original in all respects as this is a safety issue. In fact, for safety reasons it's better to buy new seat belts/hardware than install used ones.
Second, PowerFold seat wiring is supposed to be routed through a relay controlled by the Smart Junction Box (SJB). The reason for this is to prevent the seat from folding unless the vehicle is in Park and the rear lift gate is open. Obviously, it would be very dangerous if the switch somehow got activated while people were sitting in the third row. . .
Finally, the seat folding motor is a high current setup that requires some heavy duty wiring. Whatever you do, make sure to use large enough wires and be sure wire it up to match factory specs. If not, the wires could get hot or even melt when the seat is operating.
Second, PowerFold seat wiring is supposed to be routed through a relay controlled by the Smart Junction Box (SJB). The reason for this is to prevent the seat from folding unless the vehicle is in Park and the rear lift gate is open. Obviously, it would be very dangerous if the switch somehow got activated while people were sitting in the third row. . .
Finally, the seat folding motor is a high current setup that requires some heavy duty wiring. Whatever you do, make sure to use large enough wires and be sure wire it up to match factory specs. If not, the wires could get hot or even melt when the seat is operating.
Wiring front EB seats into an SSV is fairly simple.
No programming of any kind involved
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Programming is definitely involved if you try to retrofit memory seats into a vehicle that didn't have that option, or get heated&cooled seats to work when the truck didn't have those to begin with. In fact, I have yet to see even one successful retrofit so far -- and that includes among people at several other forums like Explorer and F150. If I'm wrong, I'd welcome any links to further info. 
I've had a set of very expensive heated&cooled seats sitting idle for years because I didn't realize computer hacking was needed in order to get them to work!
I've had a set of very expensive heated&cooled seats sitting idle for years because I didn't realize computer hacking was needed in order to get them to work!Programming is definitely involved if you try to retrofit memory seats into a vehicle that didn't have that option, or get heated&cooled seats to work when the truck didn't have those to begin with. In fact, I have yet to see even one successful retrofit so far -- and that includes among people at several other forums like Explorer and F150. If I'm wrong, I'd welcome any links to further info.
Hotwire the memory seats to bypass the memory.
Just splice the wiring to go straight from buttons to motors
Did it, would know.
star-art
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I get that. Yes, you can get the power seat movement to work by bypassing the Driver's Seat Module (DSM). What I meant is no one (that I know of) has successfully gotten the *memory* function to work in a truck that didn't already have it. Same goes for the heated & cooled seats. . .
What we need for the memory to work are the hex codes sent on the CANbus network to the DSM. I did some digging and it appears the codes needed to get the DSM to recall the memory setting may be something like this:
If that's all it needs, I'm not sure why you can't just install the seat and connect the DSM to the existing vehicle network. I have yet to see a thread, however, where someone did this and got it to work. Perhaps they forgot to connect it to the network?
Getting the DCSM (Climate Seat) module to work may require the following values from the network:
It might be possible to use an HVAC module with the control buttons to generate the codes for the button press and LED indicators to get the module working. Even then, the DCSM still needs to know Engine RPM and Ignition Status in order to turn on the seats. Apparently this is because of the high current draw required by the TED units. Not only must the engine be ON, the RPM must also be above 600 in order for the TED units and fans to work. This, I assume, is designed to keep the vehicle battery from discharging.
What we need for the memory to work are the hex codes sent on the CANbus network to the DSM. I did some digging and it appears the codes needed to get the DSM to recall the memory setting may be something like this:
- Engine RPM
- Transmission Gear Range
- Ignition Switch Status
If that's all it needs, I'm not sure why you can't just install the seat and connect the DSM to the existing vehicle network. I have yet to see a thread, however, where someone did this and got it to work. Perhaps they forgot to connect it to the network?
Getting the DCSM (Climate Seat) module to work may require the following values from the network:
- Engine RPM
- Ignition Switch Status
- Climate Button Press (Heated)
- Climate Button Status (Heated)
- Climate Button Press (Cooled)
- Climate Button Status (Cooled)
It might be possible to use an HVAC module with the control buttons to generate the codes for the button press and LED indicators to get the module working. Even then, the DCSM still needs to know Engine RPM and Ignition Status in order to turn on the seats. Apparently this is because of the high current draw required by the TED units. Not only must the engine be ON, the RPM must also be above 600 in order for the TED units and fans to work. This, I assume, is designed to keep the vehicle battery from discharging.
