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Garrett

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Well...I paid 4K extra for a $0 deductible 125K warranty, and I have 5 years of maintenance included...So you're saying I should revert to factory, eh?

How long does it take to do this?
 

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Well...I paid 4K extra for a $0 deductible 125K warranty, and I have 5 years of maintenance included...So you're saying I should revert to factory, eh?

How long does it take to do this?

Ok so let me understand exactly what your saying. You're currently tuned? Are you needing warranty work done?
 

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Ok so let me understand exactly what your saying. You're currently tuned? Are you needing warranty work done?
I believe @Garrett does not have a tune as of yet. He is just wondering what is involved if he were to get a tune and have a warranty issue.


Like @Blackscreen67 said, every dealership is different and each service advisor is different. What I mean by this is... You have a person a the dealership that you work with, ask them if the service department is "tune friendly". If you are tuned, and have an issued that is not tune related, such as a Sync 3 issue, they would deny your warranty because of your tune. On the other side of the coin, if it is a warranty claim that can possibly be contributed to the tune, Ford, or the dealership may deny the claim.
 

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I believe @Garrett does not have a tune as of yet. He is just wondering what is involved if he were to get a tune and have a warranty issue.


Like @Blackscreen67 said, every dealership is different and each service advisor is different. What I mean by this is... You have a person a the dealership that you work with, ask them if the service department is "tune friendly". If you are tuned, and have an issued that is not tune related, such as a Sync 3 issue, they would deny your warranty because of your tune. On the other side of the coin, if it is a warranty claim that can possibly be contributed to the tune, Ford, or the dealership may deny the claim.

Exactly! Just to be safe, I was curious as to how long it takes to revert back, etc.
 

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I believe @Garrett does not have a tune as of yet. He is just wondering what is involved if he were to get a tune and have a warranty issue.


Like @Blackscreen67 said, every dealership is different and each service advisor is different. What I mean by this is... You have a person a the dealership that you work with, ask them if the service department is "tune friendly". If you are tuned, and have an issued that is not tune related, such as a Sync 3 issue, they would deny your warranty because of your tune. On the other side of the coin, if it is a warranty claim that can possibly be contributed to the tune, Ford, or the dealership may deny the claim.

Exactly. The main thing I would
Exactly! Just to be safe, I was curious as to how long it takes to revert back, etc.

In my opinion specifically in your added coverage situation choose warranty or tune.

"IF" you get flagged depending on who you bought the warranty through you could possibly even loose your ability to get a refund from the extended coverage should you choose to cancel.

To be honest with you.....

There are too many electronics on these things prone to failure so why give them a reason to not cover it?

These expeditions are already overpriced as it is, so why throw more money at it.

All they have to say is the ecm/com was tampered with and boom bye bye warranty.

As a side note..... I love charging people $140 an hour to fix their modified diesel trucks because their warranty was toast.

As someone who is mechanically inclined and has all the tools to fix things, my BMW X6m and the expedition we bought that was a lemon both have extended coverages primarily due to the expensive and often challenging issues electronics cause.
 
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Lot of differing opinions here
My experience has been as follows
Always reprogram my vehicles as soon as the the software becomes available
Have had my 2013 Taurus SHO on the dyno rolls for state inspection (In Arizona) twice with Livernois 93 octane software installed & passed ok.
Have taken it to the dealer for SYNC issues & left the calibration installed & no problems
Traded my 2011 F150 in with 93 octane tow calibration left in PCM & told dealer & no problems
Traded my 2013 Flex with 3.5L eco boost & Livernois 93 octane perf/tow software still installed & told dealer & no problems
Traded my 2016 Explorer sport in with Livernois 93 octane perf/tow still installed & told dealer & no problems
2 different dealers & no issues
Do not know if they reflash the PCM to stock or leave it as is so they perform much better than stock
If I could not reprogram the ECO Boost vehicles I would not buy them
They have so much untapped potential It is a shame the Ford calibrators do such a poor job with their software calibrations
While I often see comments regarding the electronics on these vehicles I do not fear them
From my perspective the electronics make it much easier to calibrate the vehicle the way you want it to run & make it much easier to diagnose problems if & when they do occur

When you consider the current common rail diesel engines, they come calibrated for over 1000lb ft of torque from the factory now
You can easily reflash the PCM on them for 1200-1300lb ft of torque along with the trans reprogramming as well & they perform very well.
No need to replace any mechanical components to do so
Retired fuel & emissions engineer (73 years old now).
Worked for over 40 years developing Oxygen sensors & other engine sensors & controls
Worked with the powertrain engineers at Ford, GM, Bosch & NGK
Probably why my perspective is different than many folks who have not had that experience
 

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Lot of differing opinions here
My experience has been as follows
Always reprogram my vehicles as soon as the the software becomes available
Have had my 2013 Taurus SHO on the dyno rolls for state inspection (In Arizona) twice with Livernois 93 octane software installed & passed ok.
Have taken it to the dealer for SYNC issues & left the calibration installed & no problems
Traded my 2011 F150 in with 93 octane tow calibration left in PCM & told dealer & no problems
Traded my 2013 Flex with 3.5L eco boost & Livernois 93 octane perf/tow software still installed & told dealer & no problems
Traded my 2016 Explorer sport in with Livernois 93 octane perf/tow still installed & told dealer & no problems
2 different dealers & no issues
Do not know if they reflash the PCM to stock or leave it as is so they perform much better than stock
If I could not reprogram the ECO Boost vehicles I would not buy them
They have so much untapped potential It is a shame the Ford calibrators do such a poor job with their software calibrations
While I often see comments regarding the electronics on these vehicles I do not fear them
From my perspective the electronics make it much easier to calibrate the vehicle the way you want it to run & make it much easier to diagnose problems if & when they do occur

When you consider the current common rail diesel engines, they come calibrated for over 1000lb ft of torque from the factory now
You can easily reflash the PCM on them for 1200-1300lb ft of torque along with the trans reprogramming as well & they perform very well.
No need to replace any mechanical components to do so
Retired fuel & emissions engineer (73 years old now).
Worked for over 40 years developing Oxygen psensors & other engine sensors & controls
Worked with the powertrain engineers at Ford, GM, Bosch & NGK
Probably why my perspective is different than many folks who have not had that experience

I respect your time in the engineering side for oem applications, and you've been fortunate with you selling your tuned cars. Most dealers will often just send those to auction and not say anything about it. The major electronics issue has nothing to do with the electronics controlling engine operation, it's the fact these cars are all fly by wire and everything from power distribution modules, selonoids, relays, servos, and basic switches are all prone to failure more so than mechanical components. Fly by wire tuning is great though and as you know many engines are tuned down to leave wiggle room for future model power increases using the same platform.

Back to the diesel stuff though, the dealer advertised numbers are greatly over inflated and I've seen a ton of heart breaks when someone thinks their truck is xxxhp/xxxxtq.

Take this 2017 powerstroke for example.... has upgraded turbo, dual fuel pumps, ppei tuning which is a reliable tuner, high flow intercooler and piping, all of which are easily over 7k+ in bolt ons not including labor and tuning.
It makes a sad 620hp/10xxtq at the rear wheel, which near that same power with around 600hp/1100tq can be had with just a deleted and tuned Cummins or Duramax.

I specialize in un-engineering and improving oem applications to the way they should've come from the factory.

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My personal Cummins 6.7 makes around 1400hp/2300ftlbs at the rear... runs 64.5sxe/etr488 v2 Borg compounds and has enough fuel to keep and Eskimo village warm through a blizard....

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If I were to purchase a Diesel PU I would purchase the GM Duramax ISUZU mfg diesel engine
The Diesel guys who purchased our linear sensors seemed to favor them over the Ford
Never had any experience with the Cummins that Dodge uses
Ya I agree the factory calibrations leave a lot to be desired
Makes it fun to tweak them with new software
Too much work for me at my age now to change parts
Just sit in the vehicle, plug in the calibrator, install new software & woo hoo runs much better
Sure you can get even more by removing Particulate Trap, Oxidation Cats etc but too much work for me anymore
Of course you must also reprogram PCM to delete linear sensor, knock sensor & temperature sensor inputs on the diesels
Not sure what that does to fuel mileage
Always believed that diesels that produce a lot of smoke are just wasting fuel & could & should be calibrated to consume all that fuel instead of wasting it
Don't you agree?
 

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