Slim pickins for Labor Day :-(

[X expat]

FINALLY getting set to pull the trigger and retire the faithful old Armada. But having settled on a Limited with 304A Stealth package, the only 5-6 I can find in all of Arizona are Max. I don't want the Max in the garage, or its extra 200lbs when towing.
I guess that's not a question, just a bummed comment.
We'll go take a look at a Max anyway, but may have to wait for 2024. Haven't priced those. 2023s are anywhere from $85K to $90K. The 440/510 hp/tq 304A add $10K to otherwise mid-70s price.

 

[JasonH]

The Max is the superior option for towing. The longer wheelbase is better for stability, and you'll appreciate having a larger fuel tank.

 

[CorvetteGuy88]

Yeah I tow with the Max... 200 lbs should be a rounding error in your tow calculation. I would personally appreciate the shorter wheelbase of the standard truck for maneuvering, but honestly I find the Max very easy to back up with a trailer attached. And you'll never regret the larger tank or the extra cargo room, especially when you need the truck to swallow 4x8 sheets or long lumber

 

[BrianA]

I don't really see the con here? Your going to get a bigger trunk without always having to have the 3rd row down.

 

[Deadman]

I think your looking at this backwards. If you think a non max is better, just wait until you have to stop every hour and a half for fuel with its tiny fuel tank. The longer wheelbase of the max will be far superior in towing. If the max physically doesn't fit your garage, I get it, but otherwise I'd say no way.

 

[ryanpe]

I bought a '21 Limited non max and have used it to tow my Lance 1985 for 20K+ miles. It tows great but I too wish I bought the Max mainly for the extra interior space. If it fits in your garage space, go Max.

 

[haviland]

 There's no question in my mind, the longer the wheelbase, the less sway issues at highway speeds. But not fitting into the garage may be your dealbreaker.

On a slightly different topic, you posted, "The 440/510 hp/tq 304A add $10K to otherwise mid-70s price."

I have the '22 Stealth 304A and I STILL can't figure out the horsepower! Could someone please explain the specs on a 304A?

thanks

 

[MattG]

The 304a is the high output ecoboost. It's roughly 40 hp more and similar in tq vs the non HO ecoboost. Exact numbers I can't recall but gives you the idea. This is rated on 91 octane from what I remember.

Believe main difference is ever so slightly different turbos, minor internals and tune.

 

[Left Coast Geek]

The Max is the superior option for towing. The longer wheelbase is better for stability, and you'll appreciate having a larger fuel tank.

The Max has the same wheelbase, it just has a longer body, about 9" longer entirely in the back.. <= WRONG, I misremembered what I'd read a few weeks earlier

 

[Left Coast Geek]

The 304a is the high output ecoboost. It's roughly 40 hp more and similar in tq vs the non HO ecoboost. Exact numbers I can't recall but gives you the idea. This is rated on 91 octane from what I remember.

Believe main difference is ever so slightly different turbos, minor internals and tune.

I bet its just software based tuning. tweak the max boost up a bit, advance the ignition a bit, both those changes require premium fuel, and boom, 10% more horses is easy....

 

[apex96]

I bet its just software based tuning. tweak the max boost up a bit, advance the ignition a bit, both those changes require premium fuel, and boom, 10% more horses is easy....

There are tuning differences but he’s correct hardware is different as well. The HO also runs a lower compression ratio to go with larger turbos and intercooler fans. Pistons I believe have a different shape compared to the normal 3.5 but I’m not certain on this.

 

[dlcorbett]

The Max has the same wheelbase, it just has a longer body, about 9" longer entirely in the back..

They do not have the same wheelbase, the max wheelbase is 9in longer, that's where the length went

 

[Deadman]

The Max has the same wheelbase, it just has a longer body, about 9" longer entirely in the back..

WRONG. It gains over 9 inches wheelbase.

 

[lobsenza]

I would special orger what you want. Probably cheaper and you end up with the exact truck you want. You just have to be willing to wait a couple of months.

 

[Left Coast Geek]

The 304a is the high output ecoboost. It's roughly 40 hp more and similar in tq vs the non HO ecoboost. Exact numbers I can't recall but gives you the idea. This is rated on 91 octane from what I remember.

Believe main difference is ever so slightly different turbos, minor internals and tune.

I thought that 'high output' was a Platinum thing, thats Equipment Group 600A ... 300 packages are Limited (and 200 are XLT), the Stealth option is 303A, at least in the 2019 catalog I don't see any 304A package. Nor do I in the 2021 catalog.

 

[Left Coast Geek]

WRONG. It gains over 9 inches wheelbase.

oh wow, you're right, confirmed by...

https://media.ford.com/content/dam/fordmedia/North%20America/US/product/2021/expedition/21Expedition_Tech_Specs.pdf

I swore I looked at that before and saw the same wheelbase.
So the MAX is 11.9" longer overall and has 9.1" longer wheelbase. and 171 lbs higher curb weight in the base 4x4.

 

[Beachums]

I thought that 'high output' was a Platinum thing, thats Equipment Group 600A ... 300 packages are Limited (and 200 are XLT), the Stealth option is 303A, at least in the 2019 catalog I don't see any 304A package. Nor do I in the 2021 catalog.

Tested: 2022 Ford Expedition Stealth Performance Brings Sneaky Speed

Some serious upgrades enable Ford's big SUV to hurl itself to 60 mph in less than five seconds.

www.caranddriver.com

That may help you with the specs.

It is the motor pulled straight out of the V6 Raptor. It is not just some "software tweak".

 

[MattG]

I thought that 'high output' was a Platinum thing, thats Equipment Group 600A ... 300 packages are Limited (and 200 are XLT), the Stealth option is 303A, at least in the 2019 catalog I don't see any 304A package. Nor do I in the 2021 catalog.

They changed to the HO 3.5 in the 2022 refresh. The information you are reading doesn't relate to the model years 2022+.
Previous years the higher powered EB on the platinum trim was not a HO 3.5.

 

[haviland]

Thanks for the explanations.

Is my 304A 440 hp? If not, what is the actual horsepower?

thanks

 

[gtr09]

Thanks for the explanations.

Is my 304A 440 hp? If not, what is the actual horsepower?

thanks

It is 440 hp