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    Disappointing 4WD performance on snow.

    Yeah it’s not whether people like crappy Oem. The question is whether Ford puts top secret low quality tires on their vehicles. So far most say yes yet zero people can document it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    Disappointing 4WD performance on snow.

    My stocks read: Treadwear 700 Wife’s stocks read: Treadwear 480 I’m not arguing that the manufacturer uses A mediocre tire, I’m just pushing back on them using tires, with identical DOTs as other generally available tires with different rubber compounds and tread depths. 300 tread tires are...
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    Disappointing 4WD performance on snow.

    It could very well be true. But if auto manufacturers spec out tires with inferior tread and rubber compound that also carry identical DOT identifiers and are only available to that manufacturer it would be very well documented. Again, it could very well be true (it would make sense for it to...
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    How to shut OFF Traction Control completely?

    The navigator isn’t a physical button. It’s either “checked” or not. Ugh Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    How to shut OFF Traction Control completely?

    I looked up in my manual too but didnt see the “ten second” trick. Where did people find that? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    Consumer reports Expedition is trash?

    China has committed to being neutral by 2060 as you said. Where are you seeing that the US is committed to 2035? Either way our road to carbon neutral is exponentially easier since, by comparison, we have virtually no heavy industry. As you note for a whole bunch of reasons it’s crazy to...
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    How to shut OFF Traction Control completely?

    There’s only on/off in the navigator. I’ll have to see how much wheel spin it actually allows when “off” Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    Consumer reports Expedition is trash?

    On a per capita basis China emits fewer pollutants than the United States, are likely to hit peak CO2 prior to their goals and they are held to the same standards in agreements like the Paris accord. But I digress. It’s labor costs more than anything else. We can’t get anywhere near what...
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    Consumer reports Expedition is trash?

    Yeah it’s nuts. US manufacturing hit an all time low at the end of 2019. With the virus I doubt it’s going to come back any time soon though the virus also highlighted issues in the distribution chain that may help push some manufacturing back here even if costs are higher.
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    Gas Mileage with Heavy Duty Tow Package?

    18mpg w/Navigator. mixed but mainly around town. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    Disappointing 4WD performance on snow.

    Yeah sure. All true. But some vehicles and tires are simply better in the snow than others [emoji2369] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    Stupid Crappy Underbody Protection!

    Correct. And in every other vehicle I’ve owned they are metal. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    Stupid Crappy Underbody Protection!

    Could be. But got 20” and after driving through it for 45 mins they were completely clear. Either way, even an inch higher and it would start rubbing on stuff so not sure. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    Stupid Crappy Underbody Protection!

    Oh it’s garbage (literally since it’s probably recycled waxed cardboard and chicken knuckles) but I was glad that it didn’t get clogged with snow. I am still pretty shocked that they used such flimsy material. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    Stupid Crappy Underbody Protection!

    Got a bunch of snow today and went for a drive. Remembered this thread so I checked under my Navi when I got home. Skids were completely clear. Was surprised. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    Disappointing 4WD performance on snow.

    Just checked. Mine were hanooks too. I’ve never had less confidence in a tire than those. I’ve had the backend get loose on me on on and off ramps even when I’m being conservative. Anything other than bone dry and they feel scary. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    Stupid Crappy Underbody Protection!

    Always wanted to put a woodstove in the garage...gotta get around to that project. I’m going to see if my dealer will instal fx4 skids on my Navi. Gotta believe it’s the same bolt pattern. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    Disappointing 4WD performance on snow.

    Yeah I’d love to see some verifiable information on this as well. With fords history regarding bad tires it would surprise me if they cut corners here. With that said it’s not uncommon for large manufacturers or distributors to have a model that’s made specifically for them. Big box stores many...
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    Disappointing 4WD performance on snow.

    Wow that’s nuts. Are they graded differently? What marking/number etc on the tires indicate that? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    Disappointing 4WD performance on snow.

    What’s “low quality stock”? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    Disappointing 4WD performance on snow.

    Hmmm. I’ll have to check tomorrow. I think mine were continentals. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    Disappointing 4WD performance on snow.

    What are they? Because I’ve literally never had a worse set of tires in my life than the OEMs on my Navi. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    Stupid Crappy Underbody Protection!

    Snowpack inside your garage lasts two months? Guess you don’t need a garage beer fridge! BONUS!! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    Disappointing 4WD performance on snow.

    +100000 I’ve never had such awful stocks. There was zero chance I was risking driving on them in the winter. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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    Disappointing 4WD performance on snow.

    1) get it out of auto. 2) swap out the trash stock tires Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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