I think that may be the one, it has the 3 yr, 100k warranty
2016 85k miles, transmission went out
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What's that going to run like 2200 to $2,700??
No way would I do it. I can go to the local LKQ and get one for 250 or less.
Plenty of vehicles getting parted out on Marketplace and Craigslist all the time.
I could buy an entire vehicle with a good trans on Marketplace for what they want for just a reman trans and then I can part out the vehicle and make most of my money back and then junk The Frame and Body buy weight 4 scrap metal for another 350.
I just parted out an old rusty 36 ft long Excursion stretch limo.
Sold the V10 first thing and then the rear hatch. Transmission is ready to go city of somebody wants it and it looks like I'll probably sell the front bumper and Grill also. I might even pull the doors off and save it for later as they are very good condition and rust free. I know the front ones fit F250 I believe and maybe 350s or bigger. I think the back doors on the Excursion are strictly only for the Excursion.
Ended up with a good extra AC compressor and two good alternators and a spare power steering pump and a lot of fuses and relays, fan clutch, radiator, condenser. I have other Excursions so I'm saving most of these parts for my own use as far as the underhood ones go.
If you do it right you can recoup a lot of money out of the vehicle. I even feel bad about junking it with the sunroof glass in it because just the glass for a sunroof is quite valuable if someone needs one but they really don't break that often.
Then I have to go take off all the little limo specific things like lights, air vents, the front and rear control panels and the main Master board along with various solenoids and the multiple rear AC heat units.
These things can be used in pretty much any limousine.
buffy
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Toby: You sound like a talented guy with plenty of expertise and a bit of time. Why would you expect everybody else to have the same situation.
The six speeds need transmission flushes at 50 K. Bad things happen when this is neglected. Otherwise, these are impressive transmissions. If you must replace one, the piece of mind of having an extended warranty is a great thing.
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Firstly, where do you get the transmission needs flushed every 50,000 miles? Is that coming from internet post from people saying that's what it needs to stay alive and working properly or is that coming from the manufacturer recommendations?Toby: You sound like a talented guy with plenty of expertise and a bit of time. Why would you expect everybody else to have the same situation.
The six speeds need transmission flushes at 50 K. Bad things happen when this is neglected. Otherwise, these are impressive transmissions. If you must replace one, the piece of mind of having an extended warranty is a great thing.
If this new transmission does need this then it is a poorer situation than previous Transmissions as they did not need this.
Not an improvement.
Secondly, many, many people have far more talent and do more car repairs than myself. I do about what little dab I have to to get by but I don't follow the norm and fall for the rip offs and get in line and do what the mainstream industry tells me I should.
Time is a matter of prioritizing what is more important.
If someone has a lot more money than time or they have plenty of extra money laying around then it is probably more important to them to not have to bother with any type of Hassle and just drop a car off and pick it up in a 3 days with it done.
Even if my funds were five times more plentiful than they are now or five times what I can possibly need it would still bother me to do that.
For me it's the principle of it.
What I do expect people to do, or would at least like them to do is stop making these garages and transmission shops rich and start being somewhat creative and cost-conscious that the industry actually has to change. There are some industries that have done this over the years. There are industries that used to just rake in the money that are now begging for it or don't even exist anymore because certain things changed or people decided not to do that anymore. Some of these industries thought they were Untouchable and would be raking in the money forever.
So what I expect, or once again with at least like to see people do is at least some leg work.
I want them to talk to people and use resources like information on forums such as this and find out what other people have done and be open to good ideas and suggestions and not always fall for what they feel are guarantees or piece of mind buy by spending top dollar or doing things the traditional way.
For people who can't, don't know how, or don't want to try to tackle jobs themselves I want them to try the alternatives. Often this is buying parts yourself and finding someone to install them for you.
I understand this is where the Peace of Mind comes in and people end up being fearful but once you do it once or twice and don't get unlucky or get burned you find it is a much better way even taking your chances. Because the law of numbers say you will come out way ahead even if you do have bad luck once or twice over several repairs overall.
Then let's get into much more simpler things like when someone needs an alternator replaced. They will go to the shop and prices now are well over $400 to get one replaced for many vehicles it can be 600 plus dollars just to get an alternator put on your vehicle.
Many of these vehicles can be done by me or the average weekend mechanic in 20 to 45 minutes and the part is often under $150 at your local parts store with a lifetime warranty.
Then we even have people that wouldn't buy a lifetime warranty alternator at a local parts store and want to go spend big money for the brand name AC Delco or Motorcraft. I find this completely ridiculous.
Regardless of what brand a person chooses to put on their vehicle, they could still buy a much more economical part and not get hammered by the huge markups garages charge and are even sent out paperwork from the industry on what percentages they should mark these things up. Believe me, the numbers are huge.
Then they could have someone install it and overall be at only 1/4, 1/3 or maybe 1/2 of a garage repair.
People will decide they need a tune-up or have a check engine light come on or even have a flashing check engine light with a cylinder misfire often from a COP on a Ford.
Instead of doing me possible under 6-minute repair themselves they will take it to a garage and believe what they tell them and end up paying 800 dollars and up for a tune-up when many times one simple coil replacement is all they would need. Plus most of these coils luckily at the part store would be much cheaper and the dealer and have a lifetime warranty. The ones you get installed for all that money at a shop will not have a lifetime warranty.
I claim invention of the phrase "Spinning the money wheel".
Certainly, for the world economy to keep turning and flourishing the wheel needs to be spun but it does not have to be spun by me and I certainly don't have to spend it so hard.
Then there are people that get into these discussions that end up talking about how much money they make at their jobs so it would be stupid for them to spend time doing work themselves when the garage repair rate is less than what they make per hour.
This is simply them rationalizing it and making themselves feel better and trying to convince other people. Won't work for me. No one works every spare moment and I have never suggested anyone take off work to fix their car.
Everyone's schedule has some free time or downtime or heck if they're that busy maybe even cut two or three hours out of a night of sleep, as I sleep enough I could easily be able to do that and still be sleeping normal human levels.
I wonder if these people do any type of outdoor activities or yard work? I think those are a big waste of time and if I had to pay someone to do something I'd rather pay them to clean up the yard and trim trees and shrubs and stuff than to pay someone to work on my car.
And once again it's the principle of it. It's only partly, the biggest part, but still partly the fact that I want to do things as economically and as possible and save myself a lot of money. It is also a great deal that I do not want the shops to make so much profit or to be able to charge so much for doing the work.
I have to be careful with the word profit because if your shop but a lot of overhead and even if you're charging 3x what someone else does to do a job if you want to figure in expenses the complete roundabout way you might be making a very very small profit after all the other expenses.
In a simpler way though you could compare two people doing the same job for two different amounts and say the one who charges more makes that much more profit over the other person.
I feel that gets more into rationalization and not into fairness though.
Anyway, I think we can all agree that there's multiple ways to get a desired result or to end up and the same or a very similar situation.
I have two friends right now that are driving vehicles with replacement engines that I set up for them.
If it weren't for my strong convincing them to go this route, one was in Florida and one was in Ohio, the one in Florida was going to have a guy tearing his engine and rebuild it I would have been out over two grand and it could have been a nightmare oh, and the one in Ohio was on a trip in Nashville when her engine overheated and did extensive damage and since it was a Lexus SUV, they had no problems quoting her $5,000 for an engine replacement.
First guy has an old very nice 98 Lincoln Town Car and we found him a very nice low mile engine for $505 and he had it put in for about the same. He's been driving it for about 8 months now with no problems whatsoever and had less than 1100 and the whole deal.
The other girl did have a little bit of aggravation in making another trip to go down and tow her car back on a trailer but she doesn't work a normal job so time wasn't really an issue for her. A guy local here, a friend of a friend of mine found her an engine and fixed her car and it's been just fine since.
Even with the extra gas for the trip to bring her car back she had the engine and labor and everything done for right at $2,000.
I see that as a $3,000 savings.
Now we're talkin about a 2008 to 2011 Lexus SUV that I already had high miles on it.
She didn't have a newer car with low miles so why spend the money to put a new engine in it. All she really wanted or needed what's something adequate and as good as what she had, but one that wouldn't blow up the future.
Don't think it was the engines fault anyways. The first shop she took it to either replace the radiator or a hose or something because I believe that's what caused the problem. It overheated and she didn't turn it off quickly enough or no to not keep driving it and damage the engine. They had it running again but it had at least blown head gaskets and I think they were trying to tell her it had a cracked head.
If it were mine, I would have probably pulled which ever head had low compression because was probably just a blown head gasket and could have been fixed but it sounds like the first shot that diagnosed it didn't want to get into that maybe they don't do this types of repairs and they just sell people Jasper Engines at five grand a pop.
So there is even another way it could have been fixed to end up with the same good desired result.
So I preached all I can to the masses. And as you can tell, I preach a lot.
I just hope that with my stories and recommendations and others from social forums such as this that more people will stop doing things the most common traditional way and be more open to other ways and at least maybe taking some sort of chance on saving some money.
I am a rather busy person and have plenty of projects that go untouched but the car repair work I do for people is hardly ever about the money. It is at least 80 to 90% because I don't want to see them get ripped off and I don't want to see a shop make the money they will if they do the repair.
I will go out of my way, inconvenience myself and work hard, and take time away from my other more important things just to prevent a shop or some other rip-off mechanic cranking up the price on what should be a much more economical repair.
So what does that make me? Crazy, stupid, cheap, stingy, or just vindictive?
I don’t have the time or experience to go track down junked cars to find a tranny and then put it in myself
I don’t mind paying someone to do it, have the money in my emergency fund
I do all my own yard work(1.5 acres) and most of my home improvements/repairs so it’s not that I’m anti work, I just don’t trust myself to fix it, especially when my wife and kids are always in that vehicle
I’m frugal, have no debt, paid off house, but there are some things I’m willing to pay for
This is one of them
I don’t mind paying someone to do it, have the money in my emergency fund
I do all my own yard work(1.5 acres) and most of my home improvements/repairs so it’s not that I’m anti work, I just don’t trust myself to fix it, especially when my wife and kids are always in that vehicle
I’m frugal, have no debt, paid off house, but there are some things I’m willing to pay for
This is one of them
buffy
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Nm
buffy
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So there you go 5x10. You have multiple opinions to sort through. Good luck amigo.
As I always say, Different Strokes for different folks. See I don't trust myself to do the yard work or Home Improvements. I pay people to do that.
I don't however pay the going rate or just grab the first couple of numbers I find and pay whatever they want. Unfortunately most people have car repairs to do just this. It's the lesser of many evils and there's really no lesser. They're all about the same in price.
It is aggravating sometimes, but I make the time 2 call around and talk to people or friends and referrals and find the better deals or at least the best ones I can.
It doesn't really take any experience or knowledge
To find a good used engine or transmission. You don't have to track one down like it's hiding.
I can find a good deal on engine based on zip code from car-part.com in minutes.
That's how my friend found a 4.6 in Florida for his car had a great deal. He had to make about three to four phone calls but it was well worth it. The one he bought was only 14 miles from his house.
For a transmission, all you have to do is drive there and they will load it in the back of your vehicle, pickup truck, or trunk of your car.
Then you take it to the person who is doing the swap who you've already had your Expedition towed too.
It's not really that many logistics, miles, or time vs the great amount of money you can save.
Even if I had more money than I could ever spend I just could not continue to give certain industries the prices they want. I would much rather help out some little guy it appreciates making the money and doing a good job.
Let's just say I have a mission. It's not my only one either. Pretty scary right??
Sounds like your on a mission to shop around for transmissions, but refuse to do your own yard work
Not really. On a mission to not Spin the Money Wheel the common way. A mission to not pay going rates and be like everyone else. A mission to not help garages who are already making a lot of profit...make even more.
No refusal to do yard work or home improvements but not good at either.
I'm really good at diagnosing and minimalistically repairing vehicles.
My time is much better spent fixing a car or buying ones with issues, fixing up then sellling for nice profit (while still giving a good deal below going rate) than doing yard work that is cheaper to pay for than auto repair.
I also repair and sell lawn mowers.
I can buy a non working rider, fix it same or next day, sell it in 3-4 days at good deal price.
I've sold a couple of dozen and averaged a little over 300 profit per rider.
Self propelled walk behinds clear about 100.
I make far more for my hobby time on a mower than I would save by doing yard work.
I usually cut the lawn by testing out mowers when each is done. So it works out nicely.
I only used my personal zero turn twice last year and not at all this season as I had others to use.
Just started it 3 times and added fresh gas to keep it ready to go.
I am planning an addition to house and I fully plan on doing most if it myself as the labor is just too overpriced.
I won't suck it up and pay to play.
I will either find a guy who works for fair price and not pay his company who then only gives him less than a 1/3 or I will do it myself.
I started figuring out how to fix cars when I was a kid out of necessity. I had no money to take to garage and didn't expect parents to pay or help.
I read the Chilton or Haynes manual and figured it out.
I routinely took things apart and fixed them when the norm was to just replace the part. That costs more.
762mm
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Who told you that?
I have a battery disconnect switch on mine that I routinely use when I drive my other vehicle to work and the Expy is not driven for a week or two.
The battery gets 100% disconnected regularly, to prevent parasitic drains. Zero problems thus far... I reconnect the negative cable when I'm ready to drive the Expy, start her up and it drives / shifts just fine.
As for 6R80 reliability, the general consensus is that they should last at least 200,000 miles with no abuse. Even my ex-cop car SSV with 132,000 miles on the clock and no fluid / filter change (until I did it this summer) is running just fine with zero issues... and I assume it already had a pretty hard life.
The great thing about having an F-150 truck (or F150-based Expedition) is that these parts are plentiful in junk yards, for cheap. They are also quite easy to work on if you're gonna swap it out yourself or get it done, compared to some other mechanical nightmares out there!
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That's what I've been saying but people act like you have to go to a transmission shop or dealer or garage and let them decide how to fix it.
Swap it out or pay a friend to swap it out...or beer and pizza. I prefer steak dinner or sports bar/chicken wings taking everyone out once it is done.
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calling BS on the input shaft. a bad throttlebody will produce the symptoms you described. because the TB is a major part of when the transmission decides to shift, and the computer may just stop shifting all together if it detects input which is grossly out of range. your mechanic is a scam artist, no doubt. a TB replacement should cost no more than 350$ and thats including parts and labor.
also, people here, please stop recommending jasper, and especially LKQ
there are far better reman options out there. "powersource'" is one of them
also, people here, please stop recommending jasper, and especially LKQ
there are far better reman options out there. "powersource'" is one of them
762mm
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Honestly, we think alike and I wish you were my neighbor... lol! I swear I'm the only guy on my street with tools in his garage.
The hipster culture is slowly but surely killing any male traits in suburban men these days. If it can't be "fixed" using an iPhone, they need someone else to do the job for them. Pathetic and sad, but true.
Maximo B Guadiano
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Mechanical failures can happen to any make and model vehicles. You may consider next time to think about an extended warranty. Just saying, but I wish you well on your currently vehicle. I myself have been purchasing ford vehicles since 1988, and the worst that has happened has been a clog catalytic converter that went bad.
I have a neighbor, a really nice guy, who has had his ass kicked by a power washer (brand new, gas-powered, couldn't get to start), and thinks I'm an idiot when I tell him (for 3 winters now), that heat pumps aren't supposed to turn into blocks of ice (his is not performing the periodic defrost cycle and ices over...sometimes for weeks at a time).
He was completely disoriented as he watched me replace the sway-bar end links on my wife's Mounty....I thought he was going to pass out when I broke out the hacksaw to cut off the old one.
I think his peak mechanical ability is achieved when he turns the deadbolt on his front door.
ManUpOrShutUp
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I'm not the OP. I had an extended warranty on my truck, but it's besides the point. Intellectually, we all know that a major failure can befall even the most reliable model with the most meticulous care early on. When that failure happens to be your car though, you're going to remember it when it comes time to buy your next vehicle. In my case, every vehicle I've had for the last couple decades has gone 200K+ with no major issues, so a tranny replacement/rebuild at 85K would really stick in my mind.
762mm
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Someone in my close family has a 05 Toyota Highlander, they bought it used with about 60,000 miles and now the SUV has about 90,000 miles on it right now. It was always well-maintained.
It went through all brake calipers (due to various issues), leaky transfer case, a twisted driveshaft ($1200 part), timing tensioner that leaked, leaky water pump and three batteries so far due to a parasitic drain. The undercarriage is also rusting quite bad, despite having been rustproofed every year (Asian steel sucks!).
So yeah, those who believe in fairy tales that "Toyotas never break" are the same folks who claim they'll never buy another Ford because x-part broke. Even with quality vehicles, luck is hit & miss sometimes. It sucks and I definitely know the feeling, as I've been there more than once.
When you see failures across the board (such as nearly all Chrysler products and late GM models), that's when you need to worry... This is exactly why my 5.4L 3-valve Triton has me concerned for its' longevity, which is why a timing kit, high volume oil pump and new rocker arms are going in next summer. I'm already feeding it 5W30 synthetic and a treatment of Motorkote to improve lubricity in the meantime. The rest of the truck *should be* rock solid for the next 15 years, though.
(fingers crossed!)
It went through all brake calipers (due to various issues), leaky transfer case, a twisted driveshaft ($1200 part), timing tensioner that leaked, leaky water pump and three batteries so far due to a parasitic drain. The undercarriage is also rusting quite bad, despite having been rustproofed every year (Asian steel sucks!).
So yeah, those who believe in fairy tales that "Toyotas never break" are the same folks who claim they'll never buy another Ford because x-part broke. Even with quality vehicles, luck is hit & miss sometimes. It sucks and I definitely know the feeling, as I've been there more than once.
When you see failures across the board (such as nearly all Chrysler products and late GM models), that's when you need to worry... This is exactly why my 5.4L 3-valve Triton has me concerned for its' longevity, which is why a timing kit, high volume oil pump and new rocker arms are going in next summer. I'm already feeding it 5W30 synthetic and a treatment of Motorkote to improve lubricity in the meantime. The rest of the truck *should be* rock solid for the next 15 years, though.
(fingers crossed!)
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762mm
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Your neighbor sounds like he will be used as livestock by survivalists, should an apocalyptic event ever hit our world and the Wi-Fi goes down permanently, lol!
Some folks are so useless, it boggles the mind...
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You don’t think the throttle body would throw codes?
‘there was no check engine light on
