2022 Expy

[5280tunage]

So funny that the size of the screen makes for a good car these days.


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Couldn't agree more... So much I could say, but that's why we have phablets these days. But Ford will probably offer a damage protection plan just like cell phone companies now, on top of the extended warranty. A buddy of mine that has 3 tesla's has already spent over 5k in replacement screens for various reasons. The fun part is when it's below zero out and the screens don't refresh/work properly.

I also love the hypocritical nature of all of this. Let's do everything we can to prevent people from taking their eyes off of the road for a cell phone screen, but let's put a giant tablet in the car and see what happens. At least with nobs that have tactile feedback, you can usually do things without looking much at all.

Sorry, just had to expand on Fozzy's thoughts a little, I get it, just my thoughts, likely no one elses... I get it, the cars will soon drive themselves and fly too, with no repercussions.

 

[Lou Hamilton]

So funny that the size of the screen makes for a good car these days.


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That’s what she said.


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[Zig10]

I've got the giant screen in my Ram 1500, and I prefer the physical buttons that I have in our Expedition and my previous Yukon. While FCA was smart enough to give actual push-button controls for the climate control and defrosters, the heated steering wheel, heated seats, cooled seats, etc. are all on the touch screen, and I hate having to take my eyes off of the road to make sure I'm pressing correct place on the screen. It's particularly frustrating when I miss and accidentally hit the button next to it, because it takes even longer to get back to the control I wanted in the first place.

The big screen is nice when it comes to displaying the navigation plus whatever media you're using, but to me it's not worth losing the manual controls for simple and repetitive features. Unfortunately getting the Limited trim on the Ram required the larger screen. If not, I'd have gone for the 8" nav and been done with it. I'd imagine the new Expedition will be much the same way.

 

[sjwhiteley]

Designers must "...make the integration a bit crappy on the low-end models and good on the high end..."

Also, it isn't about the mechanics of the physical screen: you cannot just plant a big screen in there and call it good 'cos Tesla does it. It is all about the UX. The Cadillac integration works well. Proper design will eliminate the need for physical controls. Poor design has people, like the above and myself, pining for the physical controls (which is one reason I like the Ford).

 

[Fozzy]

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[Dewey3]

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Somebody needs time-out, or you can sell that design to Airbus or Boeing

 

[mwl001]

I do wonder where the pendulum will land eventually; it appears to be hurtling towards huge screens in everything. I was super-excited for the RWD Explorer to come back, but when I saw the huge screen implementation I was really disappointed. I really like approximately an 8 inch screen embedded in the dash near the top; of course it's a compromise but I love all of my hard buttons. I do think 8-10" either vertical or horizontal is probably the sweet spot, or at least you'll be able to get a screen that size unless you spring for the highest trim. At a certain point you can't go bigger and at that time I think people will question whether the vehicle is actually better for all that extra cost. We may have carplay to thank as that's what many people get used to and a big screen doesn't really help that implementation.

 

[NyackRob79]

That's just the thing. Tesla has been using giant center dash screen for years, with practically non-existent gauge cluster. Whether we like it or not, it's the trend things are moving in, and automakers are trying to compete with one another.

I do agree that the Escalade integration is just flawless. The vehicle looks on the inside like it cost $120k, which it easily does with options. Let's not compare a $60k Expy to it. Current Yukon Denali that I've test driven feels very nice overall on the inside, but whether it's better or not than the Expy is a matter of personal taste.

 

[carymccarr]

That's just the thing. Tesla has been using giant center dash screen for years, with practically non-existent gauge cluster. Whether we like it or not, it's the trend things are moving in, and automakers are trying to compete with one another.

I do agree that the Escalade integration is just flawless. The vehicle looks on the inside like it cost $120k, which it easily does with options. Let's not compare a $60k Expy to it. Current Yukon Denali that I've test driven feels very nice overall on the inside, but whether it's better or not than the Expy is a matter of personal taste.

A base escalade is $78k and a blown out Expy platinum is almost $90k.


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[dlcorbett]

A base escalade is $78k and a blown out Expy platinum is almost $90k.


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A 78k base rwd swb escalade will have nowhere near the same features and capabilities as a fully loaded 84k 4wd swb expy platinum. Why do ppl make these comparisons is odd. Auto journalists do this too. Yes I can get a base gls cheaper than a fully loaded denali, but im also not gettin the stuff that makes the gls better either.

 

[NyackRob79]

A 78k base rwd swb escalade will have nowhere near the same features and capabilities as a fully loaded 84k 4wd swb expy platinum. Why do ppl make these comparisons is odd. Auto journalists do this too. Yes I can get a base gls cheaper than a fully loaded denali, but im also not gettin the stuff that makes the gls better either.

But base Escalade isn't apples-to-apples with the top-tier Expy. Base Escalade has no power assist steps, no panoramic sunroof, not much in fact other than the fancy LED display. I wouldn't compare the two. The only thing you'll get cheaper is a status symbol, if you're one of those insecure fellas who needs to feel a sense of faux accomplishment everywhere he goes.

 

[dlcorbett]

But base Escalade isn't apples-to-apples with the top-tier Expy. Base Escalade has no power assist steps, no panoramic sunroof, not much in fact other than the fancy LED display. I wouldn't compare the two. The only thing you'll get cheaper is a status symbol, if you're one of those insecure fellas who needs to feel a sense of faux accomplishment everywhere he goes.

Thats my point. My guy Carry made the pt that the base escalade is cheaper than a plat expy and I offered the counterpt that thats not a good comparison. It doesn't make sense for ppl to say this luxury vehicle is cheaper than this mainstream product, even though the mainstream product is fully loaded. Actually, an escalade with the same features as a platinum expy will run you 95k in rwd. I can understand the x7 and gls comparisons a bit more because the vehicle itself is subjectively a better product, but even then, in that class(fs luxury suv), most ppl are buying either brand loyalty or the car their most passionate about.

 

[carymccarr]

A 78k base rwd swb escalade will have nowhere near the same features and capabilities as a fully loaded 84k 4wd swb expy platinum. Why do ppl make these comparisons is odd. Auto journalists do this too. Yes I can get a base gls cheaper than a fully loaded denali, but im also not gettin the stuff that makes the gls better either.

But it will have the identical dashboard and screens as all of other versions.

That’s the reason for the comparison in this discussion.

You hoping people won’t compare vehicles that they can buy for $80k won’t stop them from doing so.

 

[carymccarr]

But if it makes people feel better we can use a Hyundai as a comparison instead of a GM product.




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[JExpedition07]

Ram showing others how it’s done for once

 

[carymccarr]

Ram showing others how it’s done for once View attachment 39322

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[dlcorbett]

But it will have the identical dashboard and screens as all of other versions.

That’s the reason for the comparison in this discussion.

You hoping people won’t compare vehicles that they can buy for $80k won’t stop them from doing so.

Im not hoping that at all. Your not wrong with that assessment, but thats assuming you can find a base unit lux vehicle at the lot thats not already purchased by rental car agency. Im not counting nobodies pockets here, but for me, if I got 80k, id rather shop the fully loaded mainstream versions, not a same priced equivalent of the luxury option and not compromise 10k worth of features for a bigger screen.

I driven the palisade when they were first released, and I must say, the interior blew the doors off the expedition in all aspects but seat comfort and room. Also driven a ram recently, and was surprised how much I liked it. My dad was with me when I drove that (and the my21 denali) and he was smitten by how smooth it was. We wanted to drive one with air springs but one wasn't available(like the denali), but the coils rode surprisingly gentle and light. The screen seemed a bit cluttered, but once you know the system, it works pretty well. We wanted to drive the new escalade, hes thinking about replacing his 15 for a 21, but the nearest cadillac dealer from him was an hr away.

Im sure the expy will have a 12in or 8in screen option for the dash, and maybe im just younger, but without trying out the system, I can't hate it. Ford learned alot from sync 2 with mft and how not to release a ui that buggy. Could it be better integrated, ehh, but like I mentioned, the dash boards not even fully assembled in the photos and the bottom of the screen is integrated to the lower dash. Also, you can also see that they have individual interface for the hvac and sync 4 should have better voice recognition as well. The current truck does that well enough.

 

[carymccarr]

Im not hoping that at all. Your not wrong with that assessment, but thats assuming you can find a base unit lux vehicle at the lot thats not already purchased by rental car agency. Im not counting nobodies pockets here, but for me, if I got 80k, id rather shop the fully loaded mainstream versions, not a same priced equivalent of the luxury option and not compromise 10k worth of features for a bigger screen.

I driven the palisade when they were first released, and I must say, the interior blew the doors off the expedition in all aspects but seat comfort and room. Also driven a ram recently, and was surprised how much I liked it. My dad was with me when I drove that (and the my21 denali) and he was smitten by how smooth it was. We wanted to drive one with air springs but one wasn't available(like the denali), but the coils rode surprisingly gentle and light. The screen seemed a bit cluttered, but once you know the system, it works pretty well. We wanted to drive the new escalade, hes thinking about replacing his 15 for a 21, but the nearest cadillac dealer from him was an hr away.

Im sure the expy will have a 12in or 8in screen option for the dash, and maybe im just younger, but without trying out the system, I can't hate it. Ford learned alot from sync 2 with mft and how not to release a ui that buggy. Could it be better integrated, ehh, but like I mentioned, the dash boards not even fully assembled in the photos and the bottom of the screen is integrated to the lower dash. Also, you can also see that they have individual interface for the hvac and sync 4 should have better voice recognition as well. The current truck does that well enough.

I have no hate for screens. I think they can be integrated really well. The range rovers screen that literally has scroll wheels ON the lower screen that change function when pressed are a great example IMO.

That said...There are certain things that should always remain either a traditional button or always on the main screen.

As an example...It’s crazy to me that the heated steering wheel button isn’t a fixed button but love that they still have a rotary knob for stereo volume.

Of course the fact that I can’t move through my presets without physically swiping the screen makes my pine for the days of push button radio presets!!!


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[grumpyoleman]

Admittedly, personal preferences are just that - personal and unique. But here it is ...

- Cannot stand the vertical tablet look that does not integrate the screen in any meaningful way. Looks like a cheap, fragile afterthought. My lovely wife and I test drove an Aviator a few weeks ago and neither of us liked the interior at all - starting with that awful tablet looking thing.
- I like being able to jump in my Expy with gloves on in the dead of winter and turn up / down / off /on / whatever any of the various radio - climate control etc... functions without having to take the gloves off and wait for the screen to power up and respond (at -30 F that takes a while).

 

[1970Maverick]

What happens when you get a "blue screen" and nothing works? It's like everything else, one specific tool (knobs, dials, switches) for one function works great. One tool for many functions always compromises every function especially when it breaks and you can't do anything.