Do Gen 3’s Spy on Us??

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Allstate insurance offers Drivewise. It plugs into OBD port and monitors your driving(for a discount). I tried it and it checks for speed, braking and hours of the day. All the info is transmitted to them, from a small 1"x2"x1" unit. Onstar, Sync, navigation and blackboxes all can probably do the same.
 
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Does it really matter ? If you have an internet device on you basically can be tracked . Honestly if you think like that stop using anything connected to the internet then .
 

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Only when you're hitting the pipe extra hard

...Google and Apple, otoh, openly spy on you 24/7. And nobody cares.
 

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As someone who makes a living by engineering technology every day, it's an interesting concept to ponder.

On one hand, technology has made our lives easier, safer and more efficient. Perfect example above, OnStar automatically dispatched emergency services when a driver was knocked unconscious. I think we'd all agree that's a win. Or even this website, has helped me numerous times with solving issues on my truck...another win.

Then on the other hand, you have the above...where that same technology can be used against you. But, one could argue that it's not right to lie about an accident...and if I were the other driver in the above hypothetical situation, I'd be happy to know that the claim adjuster got the story straight and held the proper person accountable.

Then again, no matter what the intention is, you can take the surveillance state idealism way too far. Example...China's Social Credit System. Cruise around on Google to learn more, but basically, China is rolling out a system now that monitors numerous aspects of every citizens life and using that data to make trust based decisions....such as allowing you to travel or get a loan. Some of the factors monitored are pretty wild; you play too many online video games, point deduction. You jaywalk, point deduction. But it goes the other way too...attend a pro china government rally, point increase. Pay your taxes early, point increase.

So what are we willing to sacrifice for convenience, safety and efficiency? And is it fair to effectively force the general public into these sacrifices, for the good of us all? I mean sure, you don't HAVE to use the internet or a smart phone...but doing business without that today is difficult, if not impossible in many ways. (Example: You can't rent movies any more without a credit card...even if you don't use the internet and go to a red box...and there's no such thing as blockbuster anymore)

And even still, what if I'm ok with one company having my location information...like OnStar, but not another? No company is hack-proof, it's only a matter of time before that data gets out. But will it be important or relevant enough by that time for someone to use against me?

Honestly, I think the best thing you can do is educate yourself and have that awareness. Then you can decide what you're willing to live with.

Here's something to consider: Google is a for profit company, so by definition, they sell a product for profit. But then how can they give away all these great services, like gmail and chrome, for free? It's because they do sell a product...YOU. More specifically, your data IS their product...and whenever you use their services, you agree that they can sell your data as they please. Food for thought. :)

And if that's not enough...I've had to testify in court on two separate occasions about mobile device management on personal cellular devices...that's a fun story.

Don't you have a mandatory background check that pulls your credit score and DL points and any legal troubles you might have had pretty much to do ANYTHING (rent, work, loan, whatever) in America these days?


Same social credits... just third party and messier
 

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The amount of folks on here who have given up on their rights to privacy is disturbing...

Remember: just because Google and Apple are doing it doesn't make it acceptable, nor does it mean that you should just bend over and take it from the rear end!



(I like the tinfoil hat meme... sponsored by Google to discredit free thinking, I take it?)

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Is there a way to disable any wireless communication coming from your vehicle? Again mine is a 2015 xlt.
 
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Wow....a lot of stuff but no one here really knows the answer to the OP's post, right? Everyone is guessing....but we know darn well that if a nickle can be made from selling our info, anyone who can, will.
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Fair enough :) sorry, I didn’t mean to start a large scale debate...just sort of tumbled down the rabbit hole. I apologize.

But to get back to the subject...does the Gen3 collect information about you?

To the best of my knowledge...

1. According the owner’s manual, the truck does keep a running record of various mechanical logs related to vehicle function (such as vehicle speed, seat belt status, etc.) that can be accessed by law enforcement or other professionals using the proper tools. (folks here have already mentioned the “black box”) As I understand it, this data is not transmitted outside the vehicle and must be accessed via the OBDII port using a special scan tool. I do not know of any way to disable that functionality. It may not even be possible to do so, as there may be some legal requirements for such functionality; I honestly don’t know, that would require more research. You can find the legal notice for the event recorder in your owners manual.

2. Gen 3 Expys did not have the option to include a cellular modem or other cellular telematics from the factory. You can however add this functionality with devices such as Ford Pass Connect or Ford Custom Accessories Cellular Remote Start, but it requires an additional piece of hardware post production.

3. Gen 3 Expys DO have WiFi capabilities from the factory. It is used for updating the SYNC software, navigation maps and other various software updates. However, you have the option to turn this off.

4. Gen 3 Expys DO have satellite receivers and decoders for SiriusXM radio and SiriusXM data functionality (I.e. Sirius Live Weather and Traffic), but I do not believe they have satellite modems for talking back, it’s receive only.

5. Gen 3 Expys do have the ability to receive transmissions on the FM and AM radio bands, including HD Radio digital transmissions and metadata embedded into FM radio transmissions. (Radio Data Services or RDS; used for providing station information, current song information and localized traffic data for use within GPS systems) However, I do not believe there are any transmission capabilities on these bands, it’s receive only. I also believe you have the option to turn off HD Radio and RDS functionality.

6. Gen 3 Expys do have a feature called 911 Assist within SYNC, which will automatically dial emergency services using your connected mobile device, in the event of an airbag deployment or other crash sensor activation. When you first connect a device, I believe you are asked if you want to turn this feature on. Regardless, you have the option of turning it off.

7. Parking sensors, keyless entry and blind spot sensors do transmit some form of radio wavelength to operate, but their range is incredibly short and it’s highly unlikely that it includes transmit any personally identifiable information.

8. Gen 3 Expys do have a microphone in the cabin for hands free telephony and a camera on the rear tailgate for backup camera functionality. To the best of my knowledge, these devices are only active when being used and do not have any data storage capabilities.

9. Gen 3 Expys do have Bluetooth radios included from the factory for cellular phone or other Bluetooth enabled device connectivity. You have the option to turn this off.

10. Gen 3 Expys do have USB connectivity ports which can be used to connect cellular phones, media players or other USB compatible devices. You have the option to not use USB devices.

Could there be some secret thing doing something that FoMoCo doesn’t tell anyone? Sure, but the same could be said about anything you buy today. If such a thing existed and was discovered, FoMoCo’s brand would be severely damaged and lawsuits would fly.

All this said and assuming your concerns are centered around personal privacy; if you turn off the WiFi networking, turn off the Bluetooth radios and do not connect your mobile device to the truck, it’s probably safe to assume no personally identifiable data is being transmitted from your vehicle.

The answers above are a hobbyist opinion and best attempt to answer the questions provided. I encourage you to make your own conclusions. I do not encourage or advise you to use the information above as a basis for any legal proceeding or for the purpose of committing a crime.
 
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Don't you have a mandatory background check that pulls your credit score and DL points and any legal troubles you might have had pretty much to do ANYTHING (rent, work, loan, whatever) in America these days?


Same social credits... just third party and messier

Yes, we do have those things, but I disagree. We do not have a public* national system for recording information such as how much time I spend playing video games or whether I attended a political rally or whether I own a gun. While there are private companies who collect data (such as Equifax or LexisNexis) and local governments (DMV, courts etc.) it is not a federally driven system monitoring every aspect of your life and is it not centrally managed.

Notice I said public...the NSA or CIA has tons of data on all of us and perhaps data points on all the things I mentioned above, but it cannot be used to deny us employment or basic human rights such as traveling between states.

I don’t want to overrun this thread with off topic replies...but I’m happy to discuss further on the lounge thread.
 
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Does it really matter ? If you have an internet device on you basically can be tracked . Honestly if you think like that stop using anything connected to the internet then .

At least a phone is optional. Your car is not. Do you have the find set that "I have nothing to hide so I don't mind if the Government, etc. are spying on me?"
 

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Do Gen 3 vehicles transmit Location or any other personal information to any 3rd parties?
My 2016 with Sync 3 rats me out to Ford Frequently! With, I am sure, some kind of sick cyber pleasure! Actually Ford is quite forthcoming about what they collect, when they collect data, why they snoop, and exactly what they use to do their snooping with. If you want to make it difficult for Ford to look around your, "connected," Expy. Never allow it to connect to a WiFi signal, Ford says that connection is what they prefer, so they don't blow up your data plan! Least they are considerate, n thinking about cha! I do ponder this, when is Ford going to use dealership WiFi to diagnose and fix stuff, move away from the temperamental OBII system? Then, perhaps I could keep up with what the mechanic is really doing to my truck. Never much liked reckless abandon or blind faith.

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I can tell you that the 2007 and 2008 models with GPS systems don't transmit anything. The later Sync equipped models could not send anything on your phone without you knowing.

OnStar vehicles are equipped with their own internal cell phone transmitter. Ford doesn't have anything like that yet. I know OnStar shares information with just about anyone, so it's probably a matter of time until Ford gets on this wagon.

There is a black box event recorder in all the cars, but that transmits nothing and should require a warrant to be downloaded. Dealers can see the information and perhaps use it against you in a warranty claim though I haven't heard of that being done. They usually benefit from claims and are happy to get the work. An odd, high cost failure of a newly designed item may require Ford's review and a company rep may look at the information to see what actions led to the failure. That could be problematic if you mistreated the car perhaps.
 
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Fair enough :) sorry, I didn’t mean to start a large scale debate...just sort of tumbled down the rabbit hole. I apologize.

But to get back to the subject...does the Gen3 collect information about you?

To the best of my knowledge...

1. According the owner’s manual, the truck does keep a running record of various mechanical logs related to vehicle function (such as vehicle speed, seat belt status, etc.) that can be accessed by law enforcement or other professionals using the proper tools. (folks here have already mentioned the “black box”) As I understand it, this data is not transmitted outside the vehicle and must be accessed via the OBDII port using a special scan tool. I do not know of any way to disable that functionality. It may not even be possible to do so, as there may be some legal requirements for such functionality; I honestly don’t know, that would require more research. You can find the legal notice for the event recorder in your owners manual.

2. Gen 3 Expys did not have the option to include a cellular modem or other cellular telematics from the factory. You can however add this functionality with devices such as Ford Pass Connect or Ford Custom Accessories Cellular Remote Start, but it requires an additional piece of hardware post production.

3. Gen 3 Expys DO have WiFi capabilities from the factory. It is used for updating the SYNC software, navigation maps and other various software updates. However, you have the option to turn this off.

4. Gen 3 Expys DO have satellite receivers and decoders for SiriusXM radio and SiriusXM data functionality (I.e. Sirius Live Weather and Traffic), but I do not believe they have satellite modems for talking back, it’s receive only.

5. Gen 3 Expys do have the ability to receive transmissions on the FM and AM radio bands, including HD Radio digital transmissions and metadata embedded into FM radio transmissions. (Radio Data Services or RDS; used for providing station information, current song information and localized traffic data for use within GPS systems) However, I do not believe there are any transmission capabilities on these bands, it’s receive only. I also believe you have the option to turn off HD Radio and RDS functionality.

6. Gen 3 Expys do have a feature called 911 Assist within SYNC, which will automatically dial emergency services using your connected mobile device, in the event of an airbag deployment or other crash sensor activation. When you first connect a device, I believe you are asked if you want to turn this feature on. Regardless, you have the option of turning it off.

7. Parking sensors, keyless entry and blind spot sensors do transmit some form of radio wavelength to operate, but their range is incredibly short and it’s highly unlikely that it includes transmit any personally identifiable information.

8. Gen 3 Expys do have a microphone in the cabin for hands free telephony and a camera on the rear tailgate for backup camera functionality. To the best of my knowledge, these devices are only active when being used and do not have any data storage capabilities.

9. Gen 3 Expys do have Bluetooth radios included from the factory for cellular phone or other Bluetooth enabled device connectivity. You have the option to turn this off.

10. Gen 3 Expys do have USB connectivity ports which can be used to connect cellular phones, media players or other USB compatible devices. You have the option to not use USB devices.

Could there be some secret thing doing something that FoMoCo doesn’t tell anyone? Sure, but the same could be said about anything you buy today. If such a thing existed and was discovered, FoMoCo’s brand would be severely damaged and lawsuits would fly.

All this said and assuming your concerns are centered around personal privacy; if you turn off the WiFi networking, turn off the Bluetooth radios and do not connect your mobile device to the truck, it’s probably safe to assume no personally identifiable data is being transmitted from your vehicle.

The answers above are a hobbyist opinion and best attempt to answer the questions provided. I encourage you to make your own conclusions. I do not encourage or advise you to use the information above as a basis for any legal proceeding or for the purpose of committing a crime.
To which I am compelled to add. When you sell your technically empowered Expy. Do yourself a huge favor! Turn off your cellphone, or get it far enough away it cannot possibly reconnect. Then preform a total system reset and reboot. My former owner, and the dealer failed to do this, I get it, and now know enough stuff about the former owner, his Family, the entire family, even his college bound daughters! His 2 golden Retrievers names, back to the family, I know their phone numbers, each phones undeleted text messages, call logs, contacts, saved addresses to qualify me as a long lost grandpa! At the very least, I could be a creepy old coot! Humans are funny! Panic about what our vehicle technology is gathering up about us! Trade it in! To heck with what the car is finding out. This previous owner gave me, practically, the keys to their kingdom! Taught me a huge lesson, not only delete the data from your trade, before relinquishing the keys! Remember that rental you used on your last trip, guess what it probably snatched from you, and your phone, and is ready and willing to pass on to the next renter. Can't say, I didn't know now! Cause now you do! Reset, delete, reboot! Twice to be shure it's gone, all gone! Shame on me for thinking this kind of thing was fixed, no phones data could survive in the vehicle with out the phone. That's not the case at all!

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At least a phone is optional. Your car is not. Do you have the find set that "I have nothing to hide so I don't mind if the Government, etc. are spying on me?"

Of course a vehicle is optional. No one is mandated to own or drive one. I have quite a few friends in the city that haven't owned or driven a vehicle for 20+ years. Now for us country folk that would be highly impractical, but nowhere does it say we need to drive a vehicle with all the latest tech. All of this is really besides the point since the government isn't tracking your personal vehicle.
 

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At least a phone is optional. Your car is not. Do you have the find set that "I have nothing to hide so I don't mind if the Government, etc. are spying on me?"

You can always become a nudist cyclist or rollerblader. No devices, no problems

...although external forces will probably track you more ardently than ever. Hell, depending on your looks and location, you might even end up an internet meme
 
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Of course a vehicle is optional. No one is mandated to own or drive one. I have quite a few friends in the city that haven't owned or driven a vehicle for 20+ years. Now for us country folk that would be highly impractical, but nowhere does it say we need to drive a vehicle with all the latest tech. All of this is really besides the point since the government isn't tracking your personal vehicle.

My point is that from a practical perspective it is much easier to use a flip phone, whereas not using a car maybe possible but not practical for most people.

I wonder how you know that? Can you point to any information or is this just your assumption?
 

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I'm all for gun ownership (see my handle), but anyone who puts Alexa or that other Google Spy device in their home is an idiot... and would probably lose their guns at some point anyway.

An ounce of prevention is worth a hundred pounds of cure. Stay away from social media and don't pay for devices which spy on you. If you need them for work or whatever, at least deactivate the spy component. Simple.


By the way, I have it on good authority that the "black boxes" in cars do not keep historical data. Whatever is written on them gets overwritten each time you drive. So, it's basically like a "single trip black box".
 
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