Finally Hit 6000 Miles and Did the Second Oil Change

[ExpeditionAndy]

I tried really hard to find the link on the F150 Forum regarding the 10k mark with fuel dilution. Honestly I found a lot of information about 6% being the norm for these motors. The DFI pressure is typically mentioned as the cause. I'll keep looking and post it as soon as I find it!

Thanks. I'm going to take if for drive down to Indy tomorrow that's about an hour and a half each way. Although with fresh oil it probably doesn't have any dilution issues right now.

 

[07xln]

Anybody ever use STP oil? I did an oil change today and told myself I was gonna go with a premium oil this time like a RP or Redline. Went to Autozone and they were running a special on STP synthetic. 1 gallon and a filter for $25. I got the gallon and an extra quart and filter for $31. That price is damn hard to beat for synthetic oil so I couldn’t pass it up.

Specs on the oil seemed legit and STP is a well respected brand so I figured what the hell.

 

[ExpeditionAndy]

Anybody ever use STP oil? I did an oil change today and told myself I was gonna go with a premium oil this time like a RP or Redline. Went to Autozone and they were running a special on STP synthetic. 1 gallon and a filter for $25. I got the gallon and an extra quart and filter for $31. That price is damn hard to beat for synthetic oil so I couldn’t pass it up.

Specs on the oil seemed legit and STP is a well respected brand so I figured what the hell.

I had the dealer change mine and they used the MotorCraft full synthetic. It probably doesn't matter all new oil meets or exceeds the SAE specs of our trucks.

 

[Muddy Bean]

I just redeemed that exact promo last week and dumped 6 quarts of the STP full synthetic in my truck. I’m comfortable doing it especially when I read on here that some people are using walmart synthetic in their trucks...


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[lbv150]

A few things that are important to me and works well on all my vehicles and engines.

1: Always warm up to operating temperature before driving, even the wife and kids do this. I do this with all engines on any equipment. The '16 Expy I wait until the oil temp says "Normal". Remote start is a great feature for this.

2: Oil and filter changes at 3,000. Off road equipment 100 hrs.

3: Castrol GTX dino in everything gas except the '16 gets Motocraft semi-synthetic oil. Diesels Mobil Delvac.

 

[ExpeditionAndy]

A few things that are important to me and works well on all my vehicles and engines.

1: Always warm up to operating temperature before driving, even the wife and kids do this. I do this with all engines on any equipment. The '16 Expy I wait until the oil temp says "Normal". Remote start is a great feature for this.

2: Oil and filter changes at 3,000. Off road equipment 100 hrs.

3: Castrol GTX dino in everything gas except the '16 gets Motocraft semi-synthetic oil. Diesels Mobil Delvac.

I do pretty much the same thing with the exception, if its mild outside, I start the truck let it idle for about 30 seconds then drive slowly for the next mile or so as I exit the neighborhood. I'm changing oil every 5K miles but I'm using MotorCraft full synthetic.

 

[Plati]

I do pretty much the same thing with the exception, if its mild outside, I start the truck let it idle for about 30 seconds then drive slowly for the next mile or so as I exit the neighborhood. I'm changing oil every 5K miles but I'm using MotorCraft full synthetic.

I do the same as Andrew. Warm up for a minute or less .. put it in reverse & back out the driveway then forward and tooling slowly out of the neighborhood. The engine is close to idle while I do that, just barely have foot on gas. Then its 30 mph on the feeder road and transmission gives me the speed not engine RPMs. Its interesting how *on any topic at all* there are strong opinions either side and often direct opposites. I'm not in the engine watching what the oil is doing so I don't really know. Driving will definitely will warm up things faster, I know that. Modern oil maintains viscosity at lower temps better than old days.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a19086/warming-up-your-car-in-the-cold-just-harms-engine/

 

[ExpeditionAndy]

I do the same as Andrew. Warm up for a minute or less .. put it in reverse & back out the driveway then forward and tooling slowly out of the neighborhood. The engine is close to idle while I do that, just barely have foot on gas. Then its 30 mph on the feeder road and transmission gives me the speed not engine RPMs. Its interesting how *on any topic at all* there are strong opinions either side and often direct opposites. I'm not in the engine watching what the oil is doing so I don't really know. Driving will definitely will warm up things faster, I know that. Modern oil maintains viscosity at lower temps better than old days.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a19086/warming-up-your-car-in-the-cold-just-harms-engine/

I was always told that bringing your engine up to temp and then driving it was bad for the drive train because it was still cold. I warm up the engine for my comfort, and when it wears out, I'll just buy another one.

 

[07xln]

If its cold out I'll remote start just to warm the interior. I couldn't imagine letting it sit and idle till the oil got to normal temps as that would take at least 2 or 3 remote cycles to accomplish. When it was in the teens and 20's here I would remote start and let it run for probably 10 minutes so it was warming up so the kids wouldn't be cold on the way to school. School is about a 2 mile round trip so figure 5 minutes drive time 5 minutes sitting in line to drop off then 5 minutes back home. By the time I got back the oil temp would still say low. Ive purposely been taking a longer way home so the oil temp will get up to normal.

I to am in the drive it to warm everything up camp. My routine is after I start it, let the engine idle come down which takes maybe 30sec to a minute then back out and head off. Its perfectly fine to drive it normal from there. If you plan on dogging on it and going WOT at any point in time then Id wait for the oil temps to reach normal first then flog away

 

[bobmbx]

I was always told that bringing your engine up to temp and then driving it was bad for the drive train because it was still cold. I warm up the engine for my comfort, and when it wears out, I'll just buy another one.

Some habits are hard to drop, this being one of them.

Todays engines do not need a "warm up" time before loading them. The old "warm up" period was geared towards finally being able to open the choke and not killing the engine. We no longer need that...the engine takes care of itself now.

Show of hands....how many folks here have never seen a manual choke knob in a car?

Today, once you see you have oil pressure, you're good to go.

 

[ExpeditionAndy]

Some habits are hard to drop, this being one of them.

Todays engines do not need a "warm up" time before loading them. The old "warm up" period was geared towards finally being able to open the choke and not killing the engine. We no longer need that...the engine takes care of itself now.

Show of hands....how many folks here have never seen a manual choke knob in a car?

Today, once you see you have oil pressure, you're good to go.

Yes but since I park outside I like my car to be warm when I get in it.

 

[Plati]

Yes but since I park outside I like my car to be warm when I get in it.

Warm cab is "nice" but melting the freezing rain snow ice buildup off the windshield and door windows is essential. My 2014 Expy takes about 5 minutes of running to get a head start on that. Sometimes its so cold that if you don't get it mostly done in the driveway it wont happen while driving. I also made up a witch's brew concoction of rainex, rubbing alcohol, antifreeze, and Jack Daniels Green Label in a spray bottle that I use in certain situations to speed up window clearing. It also helps to park it pointed into the sun on those frosty mornings.

 

[bobmbx]

Yes but since I park outside I like my car to be warm when I get in it.

I'm with ya there.

 

[bobmbx]

Warm cab is "nice" but melting the freezing rain snow ice buildup off the windshield and door windows is essential. My 2014 Expy takes about 5 minutes of running to get a head start on that. Sometimes its so cold that if you don't get it mostly done in the driveway it wont happen while driving. I also made up a witch's brew concoction of rainex, rubbing alcohol, antifreeze, and Jack Daniels Green Label in a spray bottle that I use in certain situations to speed up window clearing. It also helps to park it pointed into the sun on those frosty mornings.

Try an old blanket. When the news says ice is coming, I break out the old rag. Works like a champ. The best part is I can just drop it right there on the driveway. No muss, no fuss.

 

[deweysmith]

My routine is after I start it, let the engine idle come down which takes maybe 30sec to a minute then back out and head off.

This is all the warmup it needs, really, and it's mostly for emissions' sake. It idles really high for the first 30 seconds or so to get the pre-cats warmed up so it can start running off oxygen sensor input and enter closed loop as soon as possible. That stage only takes about 15-30 seconds and then it will drop the idle a bit until it's warmed up completely and it's in closed loop.

Putting it in gear cancels this process, as operating under load will warm it up faster than idling anyway, and idling that high in gear is likely to cause unintended movement.

Crazy as it sounds, the guys that build the computer control systems for these engines really do know what they're doing.

 

[JExpedition07]

Yep I agree with most of the points being made here. I generally warm mine up 5-10 minutes or until the temp gauge starts moving in the winter mornings and then until it idles down the starts after the first one. On single digit mornings though my RPMs will sit at 1,200 for a few solid minutes, I would never advise anyone to start putting load on an engine that doesn't want to idle down yet, it's no good to shift into gear at 1,200 and that engine is not warm enough yet to be under load as it is still running a rich mixture trying to heat up to run properly. 30 seconds minumum is a good rule of thumb until you put it into gear.

 

[gixer2000]

Yep I agree with most of the points being made here. I generally warm mine up 5 minutes or until warm in the winter mornings and then until it idles down the starts after the first one. On single digit mornings though my RPMs will sit at 1,200 for a few solid minutes, I would never advise anyone to start putting load on an engine that doesn't want to idle down yet, it's no good to shift into gear at 1,200 and that engine is not warm enough yet to be under load as it is still running a rich mixture trying to heat up to run properly.

I remote start for the same reason. Once that idle drops were good to roll

 

[deweysmith]

Got my report back from my nearly 10,000 mile oil! The results may surprise you...

 

[Plati]

I remote start for the same reason. Once that idle drops were good to roll

honestly, I never thought about that ... never noticed the idle
now i'm a convert, wait until idle drops before shifting into gear
I like that idea

it also may come in handy in the future
i'm more aware of a baseline level of vehicle performance
so if it changes ... i'll have something new to be paranoid about
(sounds like a wisecrack but true kinda sorta)