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Question about buying used, 2014 vs 2015 and up Expedition

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by rsmexplorer, Apr 3, 2018.

  1. brick

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    Get the 3.5 EcoBoost. Much stronger performance, and more up-to-date Synch.
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    I was in the same boat as you a few months ago, Had an 02 Explorer with the 4.6 V8, and was very satisfied with its power, so when I was shopping for an Expy, I most certainly didnt want a 2000 lbs heavier vehicle with 2 fewer cylinders, so I was pretty much dead set on the V8 engine, so the 2014 was the only choice for me. I'm just not convinced that a V6, turbo or not, can handle that much weight for that length of time, for hundreds of thousands of miles, maybe I'm just old school, it just seems to me that the smaller V6 would be overstressed which would cause it to wear out faster. Anyway, I got the 2014, with the 5.4L V8, and Im very happy with it, it has plenty of power when I need it, it shifts very smoothly, and rides great. I havent towed very much weight with it yet, but I did do some light towing (around 2,000 lbs) last week, and it did great. In fact, I forgot I was towing a trailer at all a few times...lol...
     
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    Machete My Rig. 2000 EB 4x4 5.4L

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    An Expy modded up for off roading is close to talking about a minivan being modded for off road.
    There are far too many better options in the suv crowd for customizing for off trail /trail / overland use.

    This is why you find such a limited aftermarket for Expy’s of that vintage.

    Lookup 4-Runners, Land Cruisers, Jeep’s etc, not a tame soccer mom wagon like the Expy. That’s a suburban wagon that dad can use to tow his SeaRay.
     
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    You CAN'T get a V8 on a 2015 or newer Expy. Funny, Chevy, Dodge, Toyota, and Nissan still offer V8s in all of their large SUVs, go figure
     
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    Vincent, your take on the EcoBoost vs 5.4 debate is curious to me. A quick Google search tells me the following;

    2014 5.4 V8 was rated at 310 HP at 5,100 rpm and 365 ft lbs of torque at 3,600 rpm, which are decent but not impressive numbers.

    1st Gen Ecoboost (2015 to 2017) had 365 HP at 5,000 rpm and 420 ft lbs at 2,500 rpm and finally,

    Gen 2 EcoBoost has 375 HP at 5,000 rpm and 470 ft lb of torque at 3,500 rpm.

    The EcoBoost engines were designed from the ground up to handle the increased internal pressure of boosted intake and higher power output. These are truck engines that are designed to work.

    The most common knock I hear about the EB is focused on longevity due to the turbos. These are not naturally aspirated engines with a turbo added. These are designed for and with turbos from the beginning. All the fear about turbos comes from 40+ years ago when that friend of a friend put a turbo on his ‘Stang and it burned up in 6 months…. Remember, virtually every 18 wheeler on the road and almost every piece of powered Ag and construction equipment has a turbo on it these days. We have come a long way in the past 40 years and it shows.

    This is a bit more long winded than I planned but I am passionate about truth and the truth is that both the 5.4 and the 3.5EB are excellent engines and I have owned both. But when it comes to Smiles Per Gallon, there is no comparison.

    I would say you CAN'T get a twin turbo V6 on a Chevy, Dodge, Toyota or Nissan. Funny, Ford has one on their large SUV and out tows them all.
     
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    Yes, I see your point, and I have seen the specs, and I know Ford has published that it does provide more torque, HP, Payload and Towing capacity. I do understand the concept on turbocharged engines, in that the turbocharger pressurizes the air going into the intake, giving you more power and torque. My concern is internal parts the engine that takes stress, mainly the crankshaft, the connecting rods, and the pistons. These individual parts in the V6 must now absorb approximately 25% more stress than the V8 did, especially during heavy acceleration, or when towing. Now I'm not an engineer, but I do have a working knowledge on how they work. My concern is this added stress will cause these parts to wear out faster, I could be wrong, but there must be a reason why Chevy, Dodge, Nissan, Toyota, and other automakers still offer V8s in their SUVs. My argument is why doesn't Ford at least offer a V8, give the customer the option to choose a V6 or a V8.
     
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    There is a rumor of a normally aspirated Windsor 6.8 L V8 for the 2022 F150. Could it be Ford is seeing the error of their ways?

    Sent from my SM-T350 using Tapatalk
     
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    Expedition doesn't move enough volume to justify it, and the turbo has higher performance and mpg. A v8 option would do nothing for Ford's CAFE numbers and offer less performance.
     
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    Maybe, but the F150 is the number one selling vehicle in the US. Even a small percentage is tens of thousands of units. Same reason Ford offers the Powerstroke 3.0 diesel. And the 6.8 is a variation on the 7.3 in the Superduty so it amortizes some of the equipment over a larger production volume. It won't make it to the Expedition.
     
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    Ford shat themselves w those ecoboost time bombs.

    Let’s see...since you aksed... what could go wrong when you put a tiny displacement 6-cylinder in a heavy assed truck but then so it’s not a complete dog let’s force high pressure air and jump the compression and this way you can get 2 miles per gallon more?

    What?

    I’ll point to what Ford decided to design on their Godzilla v8 gasser to n the new F250. A non VCT good ole pushrod big displacement v8 motor.

    But hey go ahead and get that tiny engine w the air blowers. What could go wrong?
     

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