Safety Thoughts on New Gen?

[rainman181]

Has there been any word if they made any changes that would affect the dismal IIHS rating the following gen got? Looking to upgrade from our Explorer and its Tahoe VS Expedition, I would love the Expedition but I cant look past how poor the ratings were.

 

[dlcorbett]

If you read the ratings, tahoe did just as bad if not worse than expedition. The tahoe was better at small overlap(where the expy got dinged the most in all the coverage) and latch use, but expy was better in every other test. Only the wagoneer was a top safety pick for this class as of now.

Current vehicle ratings for large suvs

A summary of current IIHS vehicle ratings for large suvs.

www.iihs.org

As far as new expy safety, I'm sure ford has done some tweaks to make it safer, especially considering the 24in wheels. Looking at the current f150 for reference, it was better in small overlap. But similar in moderate overlap.

 

[Armin]

I'm actually shocked at the 2024 test-result now I see the overlap test. I mean a small overlap test is a standard incident test comparable with hitting a tree/pole when swirling a bit too much. It seems the Expedition has "nothing" of any structural integrity in the first feet of hood space. Just plastic and non-structural aluminum! Nothing to absorb (or like Jeep seemingly does deflect) force. Why did Ford design it this way? Was this test new, as in the test didn't exist in 2019 when this model was introduced? In the euro NCAP a similar test has been standard for years, and when first introduced 20+ years ago it wreaked havoc on most cars test results and required explicit structural measures to be taken to correct. So none of this can be a surprise!?

To be fair, Tahoe and Jeep perform bad too, as the main cage still has to absorb most impact. But there structural integrity of the cage stays intact.

 

[dlcorbett]

Iihs didnt test large suvs at the time the 2018 model was introduced. Nhtsa however rated that truck as well as the others. The nhtsa test results are the results the manufactures use for their window sticker, not iihs. When nhtsa tested the expedition as well as the competitors, it was the best in those tests, and those youtube videos of those tests are still available to watch and you can see how well the expy did even compared to the tahoe and armada. Those tests must be more archaic compared to iihs tests apparently.

 

[Armin]

Yes, it seems based on the 2015 crash videos NHTSA unlike EuroNCAP didn't test offset-ed crashes yet at that time, but only frontal. And Ford and friends used that opportunity to just cheap out as nobody would find out how much they sucked in these common crashes. Yes, sorry this sounds a bit like a rant, but IMHO there is no excuse to not have shock-absorbing in the design for these sorts of very common crashes, especially as EuroNCAP showed two decades earlier that it requires explicit design changes to handle. When EuroNCAP introduced these offset'ed tests initially, it was a slaughterhouse too. So to have their 2023-model truck fail this hard, is just bad.

 

[bb37]

The nhtsa test results are the results the manufactures use for their window sticker, not iihs.

Basically, we have a situation where the U.S government through the NHTSA does testing and provides vehicle safety ratings so the manufacturers build vehicles to perform on those tests. Then, the IIHS comes along and performs tougher tests.

I'm not going to say that the IIHS is biased, but they are run by the insurance companies. I suspect that insurance companies use IIHS data as a factor in rating the insurance on your vehicle. IOW IIHS ratings have more to do with money than appreciable vehicle safety.

 

[dlcorbett]

2018 Ford Expedition XLT Crash Test & Rating

The all-new 2018 Ford Expedition XLT earns five stars, the highest possible government crash rating, from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration’...

youtu.be

Here's the 2018 expy crash test footage

 

[fordperfaddict]

on the new f150s I see a bar that is attached to the frame, right in front of the driver and passenger front door that goes into the wheel well to protect the occupants in these offset crashes. if someone could see a 2025 MY expedition to see if its there that would be one way of knowing. This bar is not on the 2022-24 expeditions

 

[Savage Pancake]

on the new f150s I see a bar that is attached to the frame, right in front of the driver and passenger front door that goes into the wheel well to protect the occupants in these offset crashes. if someone could see a 2025 MY expedition to see if its there that would be one way of knowing. This bar is not on the 2022-24 expeditions

Is the bar visible by just looking under the vehicle? Seems like an easy check, but no guarantees of course…..is the 2025 expedition still doing rounds around the country?

 

[3rd Expyowner123]

Hopefully the new design will improve offset collision performance. It’s extremely difficult to stop a 5,000 lb vehicle on 12 or 15 inches of the edge of the front end, all while trying to reduce weight for fuel economy.
If the Wagoneer can do it, then it’s possible, however it’s a challenging engineering objective.

 

[fordperfaddict]

Is the bar visible by just looking under the vehicle? Seems like an easy check, but no guarantees of course…..is the 2025 expedition still doing rounds around the country?

yes its an easy check with the f150s. they have them on 24s also. right inside of the front wheel wells

 

[Savage Pancake]

yes its an easy check with the f150s. they have them on 24s also. right inside of the front wheel wells

Any pics of what the looks like ? I’m curious if this can be identified via all the Tremor videos that have been making rounds on the internet

 

[JExpedition07]

They added those crash bars in the F-150 because the Supercabs did poorly in the 2015 launch IIHS testing. The Supercab went from “poor” to “good” in the all offset overlap for 2016 so they make quite a difference in protecting the cabs integrity.