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Texpedition

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Has anyone here ever tried to put smaller wheels and tires on the front end with larger ones on the rear? What would that do to the auto-leveler? Other than not being able to rotate the tires from front to back, what would be the drawback?
 

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Texpedition, first off, you are going to trigger the ABS every time you go to apply the brakes as it will be seeing the wheels spinning at different rates. If you have a 4wd truck, if you are lucky, you only trash the u-joints in a driveshaft. But, you can potentially trash a differential, axle shaft, and/or a transfer case. Along those same lines, if you have a 99+ truck, your speedo is going to read higher than you actually are driving as the speedo speed is calculated from the wheel speed sensors. Smaller wheels makes the hub spin faster, therefore the computer thinks the front end of the truck is driving faster (computer averages the 3 sensors to make an output to the speedo).

Let me ask the silly question that no one else is, what are you attempting to do? lets start there and then figure out what can be done from there. The height sensors are not going to care what size tires are on the truck as they are only measuring the height of the truck between the axle/lower control arm and the frame of the truck. Tire height figures no where into this.
 
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Thermo, thanks for the education. All I was after here was looks. Ever seen an old panel truck that's been tricked out, higher in the back than in the front? Kinda wondering if an Expy could have the same look. Not a mechanical wiz but I can get some stuff done. My knowledge is really very limited so I do appreciate your advice. I'm just trying to make up my mind as to whether to keep her or not. If I'm gonna keep her, I gotta do more than just leave her as she is.
 

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Tex, not a problem. I have done a lot of "paper" modifications to my truck. some of them ran into some serious problems (like trying to fit 40" tires with only my 4" lift, possible, but tons more work that I am willing to do). It is better to do what you are doing that to spend serious money on new rims/tires just to break something in the truck.

I'm not saying it can't be done. There is always a way around it. Question is, are you willing to pay what it costs to do what you want. If you could get your hands on a 2wd Expy then modify the signal from the front wheel speed sensors (probably a $200 box that you would need to splice into the harness), then you would be golden. You try doing the same thing with a 4x4 truck, now you are having to find very specific gear ratios, specific size tires to match up to the gear ratios, the box mentioned above, etc. There are 4x4 trucks that use different size wheels front and rear. Take a look at a lot of the mud boggers. They actually spin the front wheels faster than the rears. This only works because they are on a surface that allows for a lot of slip. Asphalt just doesn't do that for you.

If you want to do this, I'm sure we can make it happen. But, I would tell you to sit down with say a photo editing program and do a rough picture of what you are thinking. that way you have a visual of what you are thinking and we can take things from there. but, a lot of this project is going to revolve around what the specs are on the rig we are starting with.
 

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What would happen if I put smaller wheels just on one side?? Would I go in circles?





Sorry had to ask..lol


if you have a 99+ truck, your speedo is going to read higher than you actually are driving as the speedo speed is calculated from the wheel speed sensors. Smaller wheels makes the hub spin faster, therefore the computer thinks the front end of the truck is driving faster (computer averages the 3 sensors to make an output to the speedo

:boxed: Im sorry but I have to call you on this. The speed is calculated via the tranny output shaft in my 2000 expy. When programming ECU you have to put in correct gear ratio. My tuner originally put in 3.73's and my speedo was off.
 
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Toms89, for the 97-98 trucks, you are correct. But, on the 99+ trucks, they got rid of the VSS gear on the output shaft of the tranny/transfer case and started using the speed signal from the ABS module. So, yes, you have to adjust the speedo calibration by adjusting a parameter inside the ECM to make the speedo read correctly on the 99+ trucks.

Or am I mixing up my vehicles here and mixing in my Jag stuff with the Ford stuff. Too many vehicles to keep all the diagrams straight in my head.
 

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Toms89, for the 97-98 trucks, you are correct. But, on the 99+ trucks, they got rid of the VSS gear on the output shaft of the tranny/transfer case and started using the speed signal from the ABS module. So, yes, you have to adjust the speedo calibration by adjusting a parameter inside the ECM to make the speedo read correctly on the 99+ trucks.


Or am I mixing up my vehicles here and mixing in my Jag stuff with the Ford stuff. Too many vehicles to keep all the diagrams straight in my head.

The rear abs sensor gets its signal from a toothed sensor ring on the differential case. It is measuring actual axle speed not driveshaft speed. Changing gear ratio has no effect on its reading vs vehicle speed is my point.
 
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The rear abs sensor gets its signal from a toothed sensor ring on the differential case. It is measuring actual axle speed not driveshaft speed. Changing gear ratio has no effect on its reading vs vehicle speed is my point.

Ouch! Too much technical detail for my not-so-technical mind. It doesn't sound like a good idea, plus rotating the tires would then be impossible.

Thanks guys for the info.
 
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