Maybe cam phasers? Timing chain?

[Gruz7]

Well, I found part of the problem.
The expy had about 2.5-3 quarts of the trashy Firestone oil left in it and it was just a few hundred miles over the change mark.
I drained it out and replaced with 7 quarts of Mobil 1 full synthetic and a Mobil 1 filter today myself. It sounds a bit better but on the way home I got the shaking/knocking at the stop light just before my house.
The expy did the whole diesel noise thing for a few seconds until I gave it throttle then it was back to normal but now the CEL is on.
Tomorrow I'm having my uncle use his computer to check what the light is about and today I have ordered the new VCT solenoids.
Will keep this thread updated for those who are following along.
Thanks,
Jared


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[Maloburro]

Definitely keep us updated. I hope you figure it out soon. If there's a harbor freight close by sometimes they have code readers for $40 on sale.

 

[Gruz7]

Definitely keep us updated. I hope you figure it out soon. If there's a harbor freight close by sometimes they have code readers for $40 on sale.

Yeah there is but my uncle supposedly had a good one...
Just seems weird to me that now after the issue happening like 8 different times the CEL comes on


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[Gruz7]

Read my codes today and I got P0022 says it's camshaft position timing over-retarded in bank 2... Says the cause could be the VCT solenoid, which I will be changing both of on Monday afternoon, so far still driving fine with new oil and no CEL yet after clearing the codes.
Will leave truck parked until Monday night for now


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[Gruz7]

Well guys sorry for posting so late (those of you in EST).
I finished the VCT solenoids this afternoon and checked oil levels and it appears we are good to go! The Expy is running smooth and is holding proper oil pressure again.
The old VCT solenoids were really not that bad at all and IMO probably didn't even need to be changed but the updated solenoids are constructed a bit differently so I'm thinking of it as preventative maintenance.
Looking into the head of the motor it actually appears very clean telling me that although the previous owner did not care to watch out for rust on the body (rockers/rad supp.), he did change the oil and filter which is good.
The solenoids are very easy to change for those of you wondering how to, you simply poke a hole in the middle of the seal and yank it off with a pick making sure to not drop any debris AT ALL into the cam and then get a T27 screwdriver long enough to loosen the screw holding the solenoid and slowly pull it out as you remove the screw then reverse to install the new solenoid and bang the new seal over it with a 30mm or so socket and obviously plug it back in and reconnect your neg battery cable.
I think the best thing that I did to solve this issue was change the oil to full synthetic with a synthetic filter....also the solenoids were pretty dry and prolly beat up because of the little amount of oil in the engine.
If anyone has any questions or concerns by all means!
Thanks guys feels great to drive my truck again,
Jared



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[Habbibie]

What brand & how much did u pay for the VCT's?

 

[nbpace]

Hi everyone. I'm obviously new here and didn't want to post another thread. I posted in one of the sticky's but thought this was a good thread to reply to as well as it's related. I'm looking at an expedition tomorrow to possibly buy. Is it correct that the cam phaser issue is only on 2005-newer models, or do I have that wrong?

Thanks, and when I do get an Expedition I'll probably start a thread with some pics and whatnot.

 

[Gruz7]

What brand & how much did u pay for the VCT's?

Motorcraft brand... Got them on eBay for around $130 and they also came with the seals. Very well rated seller so nothing to worry about. I'll attach a link
https://www.ebay.com/itm/131755289150


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[Gruz7]

Hi everyone. I'm obviously new here and didn't want to post another thread. I posted in one of the sticky's but thought this was a good thread to reply to as well as it's related. I'm looking at an expedition tomorrow to possibly buy. Is it correct that the cam phaser issue is only on 2005-newer models, or do I have that wrong?



Thanks, and when I do get an Expedition I'll probably start a thread with some pics and whatnot.

Hey nbpace,
Yes you are correct no phaser on the 2003-2004 Expeditions.
Think it's like a EGR system or something I don't really know but you won't have the chain/phaser issues on the 2V 5.4L


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[Habbibie]

Motorcraft brand... Got them on eBay for around $130 and they also came with the seals. Very well rated seller so nothing to worry about. I'll attach a link
https://www.ebay.com/itm/131755289150


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Cool, thanks for the link bro.

 

[Fallingapart]

2005 - 158K miles - 5.4 - cam phaser?

Hello! I would appreciate your wisdom. I have a cam phaser tick on a 2005 Expedition (158,000 miles, 5.4 liter) that is barely noticeable (I have good hearing - most of my friends can not hear it) but it has been gradually getting louder. I took it to a dealer yesterday afternoon and the service rep did not even go out and listen to it or check it with the computer. He declared that I needed a new $8000 engine. He said replacement of the cam phasers would cost $3500 or more and likely would not correct it. The repair shop manager came out and was even disagreeing with him on several things such as the first man telling me that I'd have to also pay for a new water pump (the repair manager said it was included in the new engine). I felt like it was a situation where he saw a woman customer and thought I knew nothing about engines, to be honest. He said that the engine would jump the timing chain and blow at absolutely any minute (he was being oh so VERY dramatic). I bought this car in another state - so this dealership is not where I purchased it. I would appreciate your opinions. I know you haven't heard the noise or put the computer on it, either. But on an early cam phaser tick, what are the odds that replacing the cam phasers and adjusting the timing could be successful? I know - this engine has 158K on it - but is this a death knoll problem or can a replacement of the cam phasers potentially resurrect this engine? Should I go get a Motorcraft oil filter (I read it as a suggestion on another forum) and/or put in a heavier weight oil? Once I have heard this ticking noise, what other damage has possibly occurred other than to the timing chain? Or is it time for a new engine? If a new engine - should I go with a Jasper or is there another that would be better? Or should I go with whatever a Ford dealership supplies as a rebuilt engine? Thank you!

 

[Jb14]

I have an 05 with 247k on the clock, I have had the Cam Phaser noise for awhile. In my case I have had no issues and I have a really good mechanic and said really not to big of a concern. The ticking is from the locking pin that is in unlocked position at idle and initial start off. Once you start pin locks in place and no noise. I purchase the Motorcraft VCT solenoid off Amazon for $58 ea plus the cap $14 and replaced my self (really easy 20 minute job) I still have the ticking but it is barley noticeable and it was REALLY loud. Lots of you tube videos on the procedure.

So in my opinion that service center is full of S---.

BYW: my truck runs strong even before the Change

 

[Fallingapart]

Thank you very much, Jb14. I will definitely look at the VCT solenoid and see how to change it via Youtube. Thank you for the suggestion. And yes - I think that service center was completely full of it......

 

[Jb14]

Your welcome one other thing if you dont already have in your tool kit you with need a T27 torx. Get a single piece driver, dont do it with extention and a bit. If the bit comes off you will have an issue.

 

[Gruz7]

VCT solenoids and a full synthetic oil change helped mine A LOT I would total recommend that to anyone thinking they're having phaser troubles


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[Fallingapart]

Thank you again, Jb14. Oooh - the suggestion of a one piece is VERY good advice - I hate to imagine a lost bit dropped in there! Ugg!

And thank you, Gruz7. I will definitely follow the suggestion from both you and Jb14 to replace the VCT solenoid. I've been running Valvoline full synthetic in it for the past 8-9 years. Would a heavier weight oil do anything to help? Would it do anything to the locking pin?

 

[Gruz7]

Thank you again, Jb14. Oooh - the suggestion of a one piece is VERY good advice - I hate to imagine a lost bit dropped in there! Ugg!



And thank you, Gruz7. I will definitely follow the suggestion from both you and Jb14 to replace the VCT solenoid. I've been running Valvoline full synthetic in it for the past 8-9 years. Would a heavier weight oil do anything to help? Would it do anything to the locking pin?

Heavyweight oil or adding Lucas to the oil will really only mask the issue it gets rid of the noise but not the problem basically.. But good luck brother!


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[Fallingapart]

Thank you, Gruz7.

 

[Jb14]

I am using Amsoil 5/20 full syn. 5/20 works really well in our vehicles as pumps and screens were design for that weight so a thicker has no benefit. I agree with Cruz on adding Lucus full syn. Our vehicles have a tendency to use a little oil between oil changes and topping off with the Lucus between changes works well. But when you change out the VCT solenoid the phasers will get the lubrication they require and be quieter.

 

[Gruz7]

I am using Amsoil 5/20 full syn. 5/20 works really well in our vehicles as pumps and screens were design for that weight so a thicker has no benefit. I agree with Cruz on adding Lucus full syn. Our vehicles have a tendency to use a little oil between oil changes and topping off with the Lucus between changes works well. But when you change out the VCT solenoid the phasers will get the lubrication they require and be quieter.

Couldn't have said it better myself lol


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