How much better is the 18 vs 17.

[shane_th_ee]

The new expy kinda looks wagon-ish I don’t think it looks much like the burb except from maybe the side. They are pretty different but I like the burb and yukon better with the flat face...

Sure the front ends are different, but viewed from the side they are surprisingly similar from the B pillar back. After driving renting a '15 Suburban when they first came out, I realized the designers took a form-follows-function approach to the design. The flat/squared front (and rear) means the driver has very clear sight-lines to all 4 corners. I was amazed at how intuitive it was to know exactly where all four corners were. Ford's front end is a bit less polarizing in appearance but the cost is the driver has to learn where the front right corner is.

 

[mossback]

Very personal preference but I don’t like the looks of the 18.

The 18 expy & navi do have some very nice features and updates that I wish the 17 had. Would also be great to have the ten speed. But, conversely, the 17 is an extremely well vetted design with the benefit of years of refinements and improvements. The 18 and maybe the 19 will have growing pains as the kinks are discovered and ironed out.

As someone who had tahoes and suburbans before this expy, I looked carefully at the next gen suburban as well and didn’t like it either. Without question Ford has a superior product than GM with these new trucks.

 

[gtnator]

Do we know if the 10 speed is serviceable by the owner? Kind of important as the vehicle ages. The new expy kinda looks wagon-ish I don’t think it looks much like the burb except from maybe the side. They are pretty different but I like the burb and yukon better with the flat face and truck like stance and belt line. But some might prefer the expys sleek lines.

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The new Expy's front looks like a Range Rover to me. Not a bad thing to copy...

 

[shell waster]

Sounds like the 18 is real nice, gonna wait a few now for bugs to work out. Somebody asked why we would want 2..answer..hockey and skiiing

I hope the newer models come down a little in price. Question for 2018 owners would you have a bought a new 2017 platinum EL for 50k (plus the tax etc). Or a 2018 platinum for 70k (plus). We decided to save the 20k.

 

[edizzle]

Here I sit in a 2018 Platinum!!!

Sounds like the 18 is real nice, gonna wait a few now for bugs to work out. Somebody asked why we would want 2..answer..hockey and skiiing

I hope the newer models come down a little in price. Question for 2018 owners would you have a bought a new 2017 platinum EL for 50k (plus the tax etc). Or a 2018 platinum for 70k (plus). We decided to save the 20k.

 

[dlcorbett]

Sounds like the 18 is real nice, gonna wait a few now for bugs to work out. Somebody asked why we would want 2..answer..hockey and skiiing

I hope the newer models come down a little in price. Question for 2018 owners would you have a bought a new 2017 platinum EL for 50k (plus the tax etc). Or a 2018 platinum for 70k (plus). We decided to save the 20k.

18 ltds are more putfitted than the 17 platinum and are about 15k more. Ill take the 18 its far superior.

 

[shell waster]

The only negative is the price and it looks like you got to pay for the tow package now.

 

[shane_th_ee]

The hitch, wiring, etc come on all ‘18s. It’s the HD radiator, rear axle, and trailer brake controller that cost extra.

 

[shell waster]

The hitch, wiring, etc come on all ‘18s. It’s the HD radiator, rear axle, and trailer brake controller that cost extra.

I know the brake controller/hd tow package was standard on the 17 platinum we got...How big is the gas tank on the 18?

 

[J Ski]

There are quite a few negatives of the 18. Most notably its hideous body. You get a 10 speed with a few extra HP and torque and you wanna pay $15-$20k more? I dont see the benefit. Sure if you like the minivan look and you have an extra $20k justblayi g around maybe the 2018 is for you. Better looking truck is the 3rd gen hands down

 

[shell waster]

Found the tank size, Ford website still list the EL for the 2018 milage ..hmmm maybe not tabulated

 

[07xln]

Can you please point me to the minivan with an 8000lb towing capacity, skid plates and a two-speed locking transfer case?

Yeah because living in the rugged outback of Seattle means you’re gonna need all that. Lol!!!

Exactly, 17 vs 18 sounds like just one year difference but really, in this case, its about 14 years worth of advancement.

If you think the 17 is at all comparable to a 2003 then you’re a moron and know absolutely nothing about automobiles. While there may be a resemblance there is hardly anything about them that is identical. They don’t even look the same. IMO when the 15-17 got a new motor that changed everything.

There was much need for a refresh sure but to say the difference between a 17 and 18 model is 14yrs of advancement is ridiculous. That might be the dumbest most ignorant comment I’ve read on this forum to date.

The new Expy's front looks like a Range Rover to me. Not a bad thing to copy...

Because the chief engineer for the Explorer used to work for Land Rover. The Expedition is just a bigger Explorer. I had a buddy that had a 15 Explorer sport and he used to say “it looks just like a Range”. Then we would say “but it’s an Explorer” and everyone would laugh.

 

[shane_th_ee]

Yeah because living in the rugged outback of Seattle means you’re gonna need all that. Lol!!!

If I never left the city limits, my snow skis would be pretty useless, too.

 

[dlcorbett]

18 reg length tank is 25 gal, max is 28 gal.
If you havent driven an 18(esp a plat) its hard to see where the extra money went but the plat is damn near a luxury truck and probably fords best product. I wouldve been happy with a 17, but its bot much different than my 09 nav. The 18 is better in every major way even if you cant get down with the look. If you order yours(like i did) you can get everything you want mostly without having to pay 20kextra

 

[JExpedition07]

Yeah because living in the rugged outback of Seattle means you’re gonna need all that. Lol!!!


If you think the 17 is at all comparable to a 2003 then you’re a moron and know absolutely nothing about automobiles. While there may be a resemblance there is hardly anything about them that is identical. They don’t even look the same. IMO when the 15-17 got a new motor that changed everything.

Same ladder frame, same body, same CV Axles, same coil springs/struts, same doors, sa

Same ladder frame, same body, same CV Axles, same coil springs/struts, same doors, same windshield, same gas tank, same driveshafts, same floor pans, same radiator supports and body mounts, same transfer case, same differentials...ITS THE SAME TRUCK 03-17! The only differences are some pieces of plastic on the interior and on the front. What really makes up the truck is the same. BTW 03 sales sh*t on 15-17 sales, oh and they sh*t on 2018 sales too. The 2nd gen was an amazing truck with RECORD HISTORIC EXPY SALES! to pick on this is to pick on the entire model. IMO they are the best looking to this day too.

 

[dlcorbett]

Same ladder frame, same body, same CV Axles, same coil springs/struts, same doors, same windshield, same gas tank, same driveshafts, same floor pans, same radiator supports and body mounts, same transfer case, same differentials...ITS THE SAME TRUCK 03-17! The only differences are some pieces of plastic on the interior and on the front. What really makes up the truck is the same. BTW 03 sales sh*t on 15-17 sales, oh and they sh*t on 2018 sales too. The 2nd gen was an amazing truck with RECORD HISTORIC EXPY SALES! to pick on this is to pick on the entire model. IMO they are the best looking to this day too.

Agreed, this and this generation nav were probably the best looking vehicles of their time. Also, regardless of sells, this generation was the most influential of the class. This truck was the benchmark and was what everyone wanted to beat, including gm. Many vehicles used the features and innovations on this truck for their suvs as well as minivans.

 

[rcompart]

Same ladder frame, same body, same CV Axles, same coil springs/struts, same doors, same windshield, same gas tank, same driveshafts, same floor pans, same radiator supports and body mounts, same transfer case, same differentials...ITS THE SAME TRUCK 03-17! The only differences are some pieces of plastic on the interior and on the front. What really makes up the truck is the same. BTW 03 sales sh*t on 15-17 sales, oh and they sh*t on 2018 sales too. The 2nd gen was an amazing truck with RECORD HISTORIC EXPY SALES! to pick on this is to pick on the entire model. IMO they are the best looking to this day too.

I could do without the ribs on the rocker moldings but aside from that, I agree that the looks of the 2nd gen were much better overall to that of either of the 3rd gens but I somewhat miss the chiseled edges of the facelifted 3rd gen. It's funny how these trucks started off with soft, almost flowing body lines on the 1st gen, then the surfaces became flatter and the edges became more defined on the 2nd gen, then they became pronounced and boxy with the 3rd gen, then chiseled and cleaned up with the 3.5 gen and now things are being softened back up with the new 4th gen. And when you look at all 5 next to each other, it looks like we're really actually only on the 3rd generation of this truck given what was the same between 2003 and 2017.

 

[JExpedition07]

I could do without the ribs on the rocker moldings but aside from that, I agree that the looks of the 2nd gen were much better overall to that of either of the 3rd gens but I somewhat miss the chiseled edges of the facelifted 3rd gen. It's funny how these trucks started off with soft, almost flowing body lines on the 1st gen, then the surfaces became flatter and the edges became more defined on the 2nd gen, then they became pronounced and boxy with the 3rd gen, then chiseled and cleaned up with the 3.5 gen and now things are being softened back up with the new 4th gen. And when you look at all 5 next to each other, it looks like we're really actually only on the 3rd generation of this truck given what was the same between 2003 and 2017.

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I agree on most of your points. id take a limited 2nd gen in a heartbeat. I do like the 3rd gen and prefer the interior but the 2nd gen just has something the other gens don't. They are all Expeditions so they are all good in my book.

 

[GaryH2]

I recently had an 18 Limited rental. The interior is a lot nicer than my 07, although it seemed very complicated with all of the driver aids and such. I think visibility has been consistently getting worse with each redesign (having had a 02 as well). Performance and mileage were much better in the 18 than my 07.

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[Aggie76]

Spouse drives a '15 Denali XL and we debated going with the Expedition at the time. Decision point came down to old platform and price as we have Family pricing from her brothers being GM retirees. Have had several recurring issues with it, and dealer is 145 miles away.

Just moved from '09 F150 King Ranch to '18 F150 King Ranch and am thrilled with the improvements including transmission and ecoboost engine. Already thinking that we'll sell the Denali and go with an Expedition as soon as the KR is released.