Automatic Engine Shutdown

[TobyU]

Yes, those dad-gum seatbelts are ruining everything and taking muh freedums!

No, but that doesn't mean it was ever right for the government to force you to wear them.

 

[TobyU]

Some of you people look at me or think of me like I'm an alien with three heads when I say stuff like this because it's all you have ever known. Society has been conditioned that this is normal, accepted, and the way it is actually supposed to be. Seat belt use is a prime example.
Kids today can't imagine it not being law to put your seatbelt on because well, it keeps you safer. People who are old enough remember a time when was simply a safety device you used if you chose to do so. Then they also remember a time when cars didn't even have these devices. I'm not saying they're bad or advocating the lack of the use, it's just that some lines should not be crossed.
I can't even fathom the thought of where government thought it was okay to force you to wear your seatbelt and then pull you over and fine you money if they caught you not wearing it.

To me it sounds like we live in Bizarro world. Trust me, if you went back do 1955 or 65 and told people they were going to pass a law that said you had to wear your seatbelt anytime you drive a car or they would pull you over and write you a ticket, people would freak out and say it's never going to happen. They would say people won't stand for it. But yet here we are.

I complain a lot about things like this but I don't simply do it to complain. I also like to point out The Oddities of society and where we are in the world. If some things that people used to say could never happen , are now commonplace.
What about things some people now say could never happen??
Just imagine how bad it can get and how bad it will get in the future. The problem is it won't be bad for those people because like several here, you have been conditioned to accept it and even support it. Bizarro world I tell you.

 

[RhinoQuartz]

Some of you people look at me or think of me like I'm an alien with three heads when I say stuff like this because it's all you have ever known. Society has been conditioned that this is normal, accepted, and the way it is actually supposed to be. Seat belt use is a prime example.
Kids today can't imagine it not being law to put your seatbelt on because well, it keeps you safer. People who are old enough remember a time when was simply a safety device you used if you chose to do so. Then they also remember a time when cars didn't even have these devices. I'm not saying they're bad or advocating the lack of the use, it's just that some lines should not be crossed.
I can't even fathom the thought of where government thought it was okay to force you to wear your seatbelt and then pull you over and fine you money if they caught you not wearing it.

To me it sounds like we live in Bizarro world. Trust me, if you went back do 1955 or 65 and told people they were going to pass a law that said you had to wear your seatbelt anytime you drive a car or they would pull you over and write you a ticket, people would freak out and say it's never going to happen. They would say people won't stand for it. But yet here we are.

I complain a lot about things like this but I don't simply do it to complain. I also like to point out The Oddities of society and where we are in the world. If some things that people used to say could never happen , are now commonplace.
What about things some people now say could never happen??
Just imagine how bad it can get and how bad it will get in the future. The problem is it won't be bad for those people because like several here, you have been conditioned to accept it and even support it. Bizarro world I tell you.

Can you take it elsewhere please?

What does this have to do with automatic engine shutdown? And no, I don't want your thesis on the state of the world today, and yes, that was a rhetorical question.

Please take it out of this thread. Thanks.

Now, back on topic.

Has anyone yet found a way to disable this with Forscan?

 

[Bonji]

While I don't wish to hijack this thread any further (would love to continue the conversation in the appropriate Lounge)...I do want to point out that no one is forcing you to wear your seatbelt. Or use Auto Stop/Start (which isn't really what this thread is about), etc. You are completely free to ignore these devices. You may have to face the consequences of doing so, but that is your free choice.

Comparing today's society to the 1950's would be like comparing the 1950's to the 1890's.

 

[TobyU]

Can you take it elsewhere please?

What does this have to do with automatic engine shutdown? And no, I don't want your thesis on the state of the world today, and yes, that was a rhetorical question.

Please take it out of this thread. Thanks.

Now, back on topic.

Has anyone yet found a way to disable this with Forscan?

How do we take it elsewhere?
The only reason I responded is because I was spoken to directly.

Why do you get so upset when threads go off-topic? That's what they do and it's a good thing. We get more education on things when people interject related stories and stuff.
The only reason this thread went this way was because someone mentioned that the auto shut down feature was going to be required by a certain year in certain areas.
So go ***** at them for not staying specific to the exact question on how to disable it. They did not answer the question on how to disable it they simply said it was going to be mandatory buy a certain year. That was off-topic by your standards. Correct??
We talk about all kinds of things on forums, share stories, and most threads go off topic and then come back and then die out. It all works quite fine.
You mentioned the lounge. Am I expected to see what category or room of the form I am in before I respond to a post??
I think you need to unbunch your ******* and simply scroll on past my comments if you don't look like my dissertations.
My ******* are often in a bunch. So take no offense to my comment as I'm applying it to us equally. Mine are just in a bunch because of the state of the world which apparently you don't wish to talk about, or care, or simply accept.

 

[TobyU]

While I don't wish to hijack this thread any further (would love to continue the conversation in the appropriate Lounge)...I do want to point out that no one is forcing you to wear your seatbelt. Or use Auto Stop/Start (which isn't really what this thread is about), etc. You are completely free to ignore these devices. You may have to face the consequences of doing so, but that is your free choice.

Comparing today's society to the 1950's would be like comparing the 1950's to the 1890's.

People compare different times all the time as in the way things are better or worse or harder or more convenient.
How do we take this somewhere else? I don't wish to argue with you because I know you're not going to see things my way and you shouldn't expect me to see things yours. No one is going to change anyone's mind. That's why people freak out and start demeaning and condemning people because they want to be with them.
I just like to point out observances how long was stating my disgust for some of the way things are but these observations are just observations of factual occurrences.
I believe they call it forced compliance. So that is still forcing through the consequences you mentioned.

As far as the auto shutdown didn't we determine that pushing several switches or buttons would reset the clock? I don't think many people are ever going to be in a situation where they ever experienced this occur.
It's more of a convenience to prevent you from having a dead battery than anything else. Very similar to the old ones that if you left the hatch open or the door that in 12 minutes with turn everything off so you wouldn't come out to a dead battery.
I guess it's only slightly similar since one the engine is running and one is not but I think few people actually sit in a car that running for over 45 minutes and that's probably why they picked this time. I would think though that the dealer or forscan should be able to turn it on or off or at least take different amounts of time.

But I will bow out of this thread now since I don't care about the auto shutdown and only care about the fact that they forced these features on us and the government forces them to do it and all other Forced things. I will wait for a thread to appear in the lounge or wherever so we can discuss our opinions on these matters.
Rev rev run run money money broke broke...

 

[Yupster Dog]

Discovered a new feature last night. I had my two younger kids in the vehicle with the engine running and we were watching a movie on the Ford RES during my oldest son's soccer practice. Maybe 45 minutes into the movie, the vehicle shutdown by itself. Sure enough, the manual describes this functionality (see below), though it would be nice to find if it can be disabled via FORScan. It can be overridden from the driver's seat, but I was in the 3rd row watching the movie, and didn't see the message on the instrument cluster. The Ford RES is a pain when the ignition is cycled since the RES shuts down and the bluetooth connection has to be re-synced. Curious if others have run into this "feature."

Automatic Engine Shutdown

For vehicles with a keyless ignition, this automatically shuts down your vehicle if it has been idling for an extended period. The ignition also turns off to save battery power. Before your vehicle shuts down, a message appears in the information display showing a timer counting down. If you do not intervene within 30 seconds, your vehicle shuts down. Another message appears in the information display to inform you that your vehicle has shut down to save fuel. Start your vehicle as normal.

Automatic Engine Shutdown Override Note: You cannot permanently switch off the automatic shutdown feature. When you switch it off temporarily, it turns on at the next ignition cycle. You can stop the shutdown, or reset the timer, at any point before the 30-second countdown has expired by doing any of the following: • You can reset the timer by interacting with your vehicle, for example pressing the brake or accelerator pedal. • You can temporarily switch off the shutdown feature any time the ignition is on using the information display. See Information Displays (page 109). The feature only remains off for the current ignition cycle. • During the 30-second countdown, the system prompts you to press OK or RESET to temporarily switch the feature off for the current ignition cycle only.

Instead of getting up (and interrupting your movie) to interact with the truck to reset the 45 minute timer, it might reset by locking/unlocking with the key fob that way you don't have to get up.

 

[scottdm]

Instead of getting up (and interrupting your movie) to interact with the truck to reset the 45 minute timer, it might reset by locking/unlocking with the key fob that way you don't have to get up.

I can give it a try sometime. The manual refers to pressing the gas or brake pedal, so we’ll see if other “interactions” with the vehicle reset the timer as well. I’ll spend some time on the F150 forums and see if I find any ForScan solution.

 

[scottdm]

I located the following ForScan info on the F150 forum. Based on the info I would change the * digit to a "7" to disable AEIS and leave ABS, ACC menu, and AC enabled. However, the 720 series registers are the IPC module which ForScan can't interface with on the 4th Gen Expeditions, so we may be out of luck on this fix unless the IPC module issue is ever resolved with ForScan.


aeis = auto engine idle shutdown
found in post 12174

720-01-01
x*xx
xxxx
xxxx
AEIS With Override, ABS Config, ACC Menu Config, Adaptive Cruise
0=AEIS disabled, ABS disabled, ACC menu disabled, AC disabled


8=AEIS enabled, ABS disabled, ACC menu disabled, AC disabled
1=AEIS disabled, ABS disabled, ACC menu disabled, AC enabled


9=AEIS enabled, ABS disabled, ACC menu disabled, AC enabled
2=AEIS disabled, ABS disabled, ACC menu enabled, AC disabled


A=AEIS enabled, ABS disabled, ACC menu enabled, AC disabled
3=AEIS disabled, ABS disabled, ACC menu enabled, AC enabled


B=AEIS enabled, ABS disabled, ACC menu enabled, AC enabled
4=AEIS disabled, ABS enabled, ACC menu disabled, AC disabled


C=AEIS enabled, ABS enabled, ACC menu disabled, AC disabled
5=AEIS disabled, ABS enabled, ACC menu disabled, AC enabled


D=AEIS enabled, ABS enabled, ACC menu disabled, AC enabled
6=AEIS disabled, ABS enabled, ACC menu enabled, AC disabled


E=AEIS enabled, ABS enabled, ACC menu enabled, AC disabled
7=AEIS disabled, ABS enabled, ACC menu enabled, AC enabled


F=AEIS enabled, ABS enabled, ACC menu enabled, AC enabled

 

[TobyU]

Ok, in all seriousness, can we quit the political grandstanding and all this fReEdOm malarkey or whatever and keep this thread on topic please.



I posted those links for anyone worried [about how constant starting and stopping would affect their engine/battery/electrical system/alternator/etc] or for those curious to learn more about this particular method of running a vehicle, as it's actually quite interesting.

It's also been around a good while (on Ford vehicles too!) and has had quite a few kinks ironed out, than from when it was first implemented. I remember reading through the TG reviews of long term loaners and it was disconcerting at first, but you get used to it after a while. It's not really been implemented in North America as the testing requires less idling than it does under EU regulations, but I guess they figured it was time to roll out on the big boys. I'm pretty sure the F-150 has had it a few years now already, I want to say 2015 it started on that platform? If and when I do ever manage to get an Expy, I have to say I'm quite excited for this feature - hopefully it will save some gas and go a little way to being able to justify the expensive outlay.

Edit: Neat little feature of the rotary dial shifter at 18:26 -

Just got around to watching the videos and they both appalled me because that's not what I want a vehicle to be.
I think we very well might have a major divide in possibly younger people that Embrace technology and love all the features ,conveniences , and safeties and possibly older people that just don't want things to change because of several reasons.
While I'm not against upping my fuel mileage 1.5-2 miles per gallon from the start-stop technology I'm not willing to sacrifice what it takes to do that. To me it is a sacrifice. I know plenty of people just turn off the feature where they start their car because they don't like it. For me the issue is I don't want the overly complicated system that'll eventually cause problems in cost money to fix and I don't want the air conditioning compressor turning into electric like on the Prius so this could be accomplished.

Now the other video is me and all that stuff but I want nothing to do with cars that auto park themselves. I have real issues with this and with the current generation of motorcycles.
maybe it's just maybe it's just because I'm a super independent and control freak person but I think we're creating a generation and a future of people who wont even know how to drive cars. Of course, the way many people want in the future it won't matter because the cars will be auto driving anyways. Eventually we will have a society of people that don't know how to drive. They will just get there transportation from the providers that provide it.
This is obviously the eventual evolution but I really want no part of it. So I don't support it. Creating cars that park themselves is ridiculous in my opinion. Learn how to drive.
I guess my biggest complaint is a fact that once these things start they take over and then typically they end up being requirements if there's any inkling of safety that can be involved and therefore it just continues to make Vehicles overpriced.
I guess I'm just old school. I'm not really that old but I'm definitely old in ideology.
We all have our preferences. Some people like an old manual pickup truck. I like to drive cars by self and even park them.
There's already enough things on cars to go wrong and have been. I just want no part of owning a vehicle that's going to have so many extra parts to regenerate energy steer and sense vehicle position when it's not actually necessary.
In the end it will just dumb down drivers and actually make them incompetent drivers if the technology ever fails or they don't have it.
Different strokes for different folks.
Sure, it will be nice when everybody is zipping around in flying ships or hovercrafts and all you do is sit there and use your phone or tablet because it does all the work but it will certainly leave something to be desired for at least a long time for some people of actually getting in their car and driving somewhere.
Wonder if road trips will ever reduce dramatically?
That's one thing that sometimes I have considered would be nice if you could just appear in your vacation destination without having to drive 5 or 6 hours. I don't like to fly and it's expensive for multiple people.
Since teletransportation or magic Transporters probably are not going to happen in the near future, do we think we'll end up in Auto driving Vehicles taking us on a 6 hour road trip or will we eventually be in our own smaller family size individual hovercraft or plane flying there since flying is faster than driving on roads?

 

[aggiegrad05]

Just got around to watching the videos and they both appalled me because that's not what I want a vehicle to be.
I think we very well might have a major divide in possibly younger people that Embrace technology and love all the features ,conveniences , and safeties and possibly older people that just don't want things to change because of several reasons.
While I'm not against upping my fuel mileage 1.5-2 miles per gallon from the start-stop technology I'm not willing to sacrifice what it takes to do that. To me it is a sacrifice. I know plenty of people just turn off the feature where they start their car because they don't like it. For me the issue is I don't want the overly complicated system that'll eventually cause problems in cost money to fix and I don't want the air conditioning compressor turning into electric like on the Prius so this could be accomplished.

Now the other video is me and all that stuff but I want nothing to do with cars that auto park themselves. I have real issues with this and with the current generation of motorcycles.
maybe it's just maybe it's just because I'm a super independent and control freak person but I think we're creating a generation and a future of people who wont even know how to drive cars. Of course, the way many people want in the future it won't matter because the cars will be auto driving anyways. Eventually we will have a society of people that don't know how to drive. They will just get there transportation from the providers that provide it.
This is obviously the eventual evolution but I really want no part of it. So I don't support it. Creating cars that park themselves is ridiculous in my opinion. Learn how to drive.
I guess my biggest complaint is a fact that once these things start they take over and then typically they end up being requirements if there's any inkling of safety that can be involved and therefore it just continues to make Vehicles overpriced.
I guess I'm just old school. I'm not really that old but I'm definitely old in ideology.
We all have our preferences. Some people like an old manual pickup truck. I like to drive cars by self and even park them.
There's already enough things on cars to go wrong and have been. I just want no part of owning a vehicle that's going to have so many extra parts to regenerate energy steer and sense vehicle position when it's not actually necessary.
In the end it will just dumb down drivers and actually make them incompetent drivers if the technology ever fails or they don't have it.
Different strokes for different folks.
Sure, it will be nice when everybody is zipping around in flying ships or hovercrafts and all you do is sit there and use your phone or tablet because it does all the work but it will certainly leave something to be desired for at least a long time for some people of actually getting in their car and driving somewhere.
Wonder if road trips will ever reduce dramatically?
That's one thing that sometimes I have considered would be nice if you could just appear in your vacation destination without having to drive 5 or 6 hours. I don't like to fly and it's expensive for multiple people.
Since teletransportation or magic Transporters probably are not going to happen in the near future, do we think we'll end up in Auto driving Vehicles taking us on a 6 hour road trip or will we eventually be in our own smaller family size individual hovercraft or plane flying there since flying is faster than driving on roads?

Do you know how to ride a horse? For that matter, have you ever seen how to actually operate a Model T? I bet when the first vehicle debuted with a pedal set-up like we have now, Model T homers decried the innovation asking if we were becoming a generation of people who didn't know how to work the throttle with their hands. I am 100% in favor of your right to stick with what you know, but creative destruction is a thing...and suggesting that the innovations are somehow bad is different than sticking with what you know. And as far as the benefit of all these new fangled technologies, check out highway safety stats over the last 40 years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year

 

[scottdm]

Do you know how to ride a horse? For that matter, have you ever seen how to actually operate a Model T? I bet when the first vehicle debuted with a pedal set-up like we have now, Model T homers decried the innovation asking if we were becoming a generation of people who didn't know how to work the throttle with their hands. I am 100% in favor of your right to stick with what you know, but creative destruction is a thing...and suggesting that the innovations are somehow bad is different than sticking with what you know. And as far as the benefit of all these new fangled technologies, check out highway safety stats over the last 40 years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year

I'm done with this thread. I see there is no interest in actually evaluating or solving the problem regarding automatic engine idle shutdown. Hopefully you'll enjoy your random rants someplace else next time since some forum members are actually trying to solve an issue with the Expedition.

 

[1955moose]

Scott, your almost always going to see a post go sideways. You'll get some good advice, but one comment turns the thread into a total 180 degree mess. It's just the way it is here. The Forum has gotten boring in the past year, with nothing but 4 th generation electrical malfunctions on fancy electrical goodies. It's steered away from actual repairs of mechanical parts. I think that's why we all get a little goofy, and go sideways, myself included. You or the others can't get frustrated by it. It's part of being on a free forum, both financial, and of speech. When you've been out here awhile like me, you just accept it. Like religion and politics, someone's going to disagree with you.

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[1955moose]

Mr Sticker I was incorrect in my #9 posting here. I had heard years back about plucking engines at 50k, then shipping them here and other spots in the world. What it is in fact that the yearly fees on any vehicle over 3 years old, are exorbitant, $2,000 and up. They give you the first 3 years free, but stick it to you after that. I was reading they inspect the motor, chassis, you name it. They even have a law that you have to have a garage and it gets inspected for size, cleanliness, etc. Because of the ridiculous fees, almost all of the Japanese simply sell their Toyota's, Honda's, etc, at bargain prices just to avoid the fees. And you think the government here sticks it to ya!

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[scottdm]

Scott, your almost always going to see a post go sideways. You'll get some good advice, but one comment turns the thread into a total 180 degree mess. It's just the way it is here. The Forum has gotten boring in the past year, with nothing but 4 th generation electrical malfunctions on fancy electrical goodies. It's steered away from actual repairs of mechanical parts. I think that's why we all get a little goofy, and go sideways, myself included. You or the others can't get frustrated by it. It's part of being on a free forum, both financial, and of speech. When you've been out here awhile like me, you just accept it. Like religion and politics, someone's going to disagree with you.

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Sorry you find the 4th Generation electrical issues boring. Do you own a 4th Generation Expedition?

 

[TobyU]

I'm done with this thread. I see there is no interest in actually evaluating or solving the problem regarding automatic engine idle shutdown. Hopefully you'll enjoy your random rants someplace else next time since some forum members are actually trying to solve an issue with the Expedition.

Whatever.... I thought we did solve it for the one track focused people. The post was made about the forscan and changing number 7 etc. Then the thread was dead for two days with 0 posts.

 

[TobyU]

I'm done with this thread. I see there is no interest in actually evaluating or solving the problem regarding automatic engine idle shutdown. Hopefully you'll enjoy your random rants someplace else next time since some forum members are actually trying to solve an issue with the Expedition.

You better run over to the power foaming a 3.5 thread. They have been talking about cold air intakes for 2 days!
The NERVE of some people. How dare they talk amongst each other about what ever comes up.
You guys must have never been CBers.

 

[1955moose]

No Scott, I unfortunately don't have the funds for a 2015 on up vehicle. At this later point in my life, I'm on a limited budget. I'm not knocking anyone that has or can afford the newer vehicles. What I was saying that for the past year or so, all the posts I seem to read are about items that can be corrected by reading the owners manual in most cases. When I started here 4 1/2 years back, and up till 2018 or so, most posts were mechanical, or electrical issues. Nowadays it's about some grill that someone installed, or someone ******** about their remote control not firing their SUV up from inside their house, because it's too cold or hot outside. Don't get me wrong, but that's just lazy people. I try to help as many members as I can. Some days I just piss people off! At my age, I don't care like I used to. People in life, either like you or hate you, hope I'm not the latter with you. But it won't be the first or the last with me.

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[duneslider]

All the cops in my area are driving f150's, explorers, and expeditions, they idle for hours sometimes and don't shut off. For example at the local parade in July an expedition sat in an intersection idling the whole time with the cop standing out front directing traffic. I think forscan will end being the best bet to get it changed but is sounds like not all areas are accessible right now.

 

[RhinoQuartz]

All the cops in my area are driving f150's, explorers, and expeditions, they idle for hours sometimes and don't shut off. For example at the local parade in July an expedition sat in an intersection idling the whole time with the cop standing out front directing traffic. I think forscan will end being the best bet to get it changed but is sounds like not all areas are accessible right now.

This feature can be turned off upon starting the engine.
In addition to that, police vehicles are generally configured differently anyway and may have a dedicated kill switch or not even have it all.