Zig10
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My first year 2015 GMC Yukon was bought-back by GM due to the cabin pressure issue that many had. The replacement 2016 was great.
I'd agree that all first-year cars have their issues.
2018 42K Miles 3rd set of Phasers
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My first year 2015 GMC Yukon was bought-back by GM due to the cabin pressure issue that many had. The replacement 2016 was great.
I'd agree that all first-year cars have their issues.
I bought my used with 12k on the clock. So Lemon law wouldn't apply.
Honestly either way I have to spend money on a vehicle...I'm just tired of being at the shop most of all. 1 time okay no big deal, potentially a third I'm over it.
There is a youtube video out there where a mechanic talks about this issues specifically around the Raptors; conclusion was there is no real fix.
knocking on wood. Phasers not an issue yet 2019 platy
wakeboarder
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https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2019/MC-10167208-0001.pdf
According to this anything built before April 8, 2019 is suspect. It would be interesting to know if anybody with a build date later than this is experiencing the issue.
and this is why I am not ready to declare that the sky is falling...
...yet.
Logic would dictate that the parts used after that date are a new design which incorporate the prior OE to eliminate that discreet failure mechanism. So Ford’s not worried about those.
Those who have experienced repeat occurrences must have had version 1 parts installed, again. Otherwise, vehicles manufactured after April’19 would be experiencing the same problem?
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If my memory is correct, I don’t think the updated parts were available until June of 2020 for repairs. I don’t recall the source. It may have been an updated TSB.
It’s most likely not the phasers it’s the turbo wastegate. We’ve been over this several times here.
I had my phasers replaced with the new part and got it back with the same rattle. Dealer admits it’s the turbo wastegate but won’t change it out under warranty because they say there’s no performance issue. Then they say anything you hear during the 1st minute after a cold start is normal unless it throws a code.
The phaser sound is more like someone whacking the inside of the fender with a belt for a few seconds after startup.
You can test if it’s the wastegate rattle yourself by unplugging the turbo wastegate actuator and the rattle will stop.
Good luck...
I had my phasers replaced with the new part and got it back with the same rattle. Dealer admits it’s the turbo wastegate but won’t change it out under warranty because they say there’s no performance issue. Then they say anything you hear during the 1st minute after a cold start is normal unless it throws a code.
The phaser sound is more like someone whacking the inside of the fender with a belt for a few seconds after startup.
You can test if it’s the wastegate rattle yourself by unplugging the turbo wastegate actuator and the rattle will stop.
Good luck...
Mine was done in early February and the part numbers on the invoice were the new parts.
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This is exactly what my issue was, but when my dealer contacted Ford about the turbo's, Ford told them to do the phasers first to ensure that's not the issue. Given that my rattle happens anytime under light acceleration, cold, hot, doesn't matter, I don't think it's phasers but I'm letting them do their thing.
I recorded the sounds, used stethoscopes, etc. So did they, and they hear it and can recreate it, but who knows. I don't care if they say it doesn't hurt anything, I'm not paying for a car like this with a rattle that you can hear on both sides of the vehicle just about anytime you start the vehicle or have light acceleration. Absolutely not.
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Sounds like a good excuse to upgrade the turbochargers.
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I wish, I'm tired of fighting warranty battles and since I can't afford four cars, this is my daily driver, need reliability.
Interesting because Mine needs to go back in for potentially a third set. I'm on my second replacement set, the first replacement set eliminated the noise; the second set did not.
Turbo Wastegate; I wonder at 42KSF if I'm under CPO warranty until 48k if it would even be covered. Also I would thinks most 19 and 20 Trucks don't have enough miles on them.
On a side note, Toyota Sequoia TRD Pro looks nice but holy shit its dated inside - I took a quick look since I'm just considering of dumping and running from this truck. I guess your just paying for reliability there.
Turbo Wastegate; I wonder at 42KSF if I'm under CPO warranty until 48k if it would even be covered. Also I would thinks most 19 and 20 Trucks don't have enough miles on them.
On a side note, Toyota Sequoia TRD Pro looks nice but holy shit its dated inside - I took a quick look since I'm just considering of dumping and running from this truck. I guess your just paying for reliability there.
4 cars is a complete waste of money.
I'm with you that I need something reliable. I've had 4 different Ford SUVS 2x excursions each of which hit 200K miles no issue. The 2013 Expedition EL hit 160 needed a new water pump but that was really it. I'm shocked I've visited the shop so much with this one. This Ford has been in the shop more then my BMW x3M...now that is saying something.
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yeah, and I'm not a fan of the engines/tranny's in this or even some of the Nissan/Infinity's for example. They need to modernize the 5.7 and 5.6, heck, I wish Nissan/Infinity would do a Cummins TD in say the QX80. that's a nice modern interior and their service is pretty awesome, always have loaners, essentially the Lincoln style care but you can get those sometimes for less than a Lincoln.
The engine and tranny were some or the primary reasons I went with this rig, and now I'm worried! I swear I researched these things a ton and never saw a ton of negative marks, most of the major magazines and sites gave it pretty good reviews. Maybe it was so new the issues weren't cropping up.
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Ouch, worse than an X3. Had a friend that had an X6 and needed 3 water pumps in 5 years. It was used and no warranty, each one was of $3K to fix. NUTS! But his 12yr old M3 was a beast, fun car to drive.
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Unfortunately the automotive media, with perhaps the exception Consumer Reports, doesn't pay much attention to reliability. I think Alex Sykes from Alex on Autos actually did a video a video explaining why: it's an unknown for new models. They have to review new cars, but no one knows what the reliability will be like when the vehicle is new. Ford made some changes to the 3.5 turbo to improve performance and reliability, but obviously they broke some things too. I think part of it is quality control as well, that's why the platform isn't universally panned. Some people rack up thousands of miles with no issues, and some people have nothing but issues.
My 2017 was a fleet vehicle and is at 105K. Apart from a stumble near idle that was fixed with new spark plugs, I haven't had any major issues. I got a misfire during accelerating while towing once..never happened again. My Advancetrac warning light came on while towing once. Never happened again. It seems like it's the luck of the draw with these vehicles. They aren't consistently reliable from owner to owner. I don't plan to keep mine past the warranty because I dread a breakdown while towing. On the plus side, my oil analysis came back with stellar numbers. For anything with timing chain issues, I suggest getting the oil tested to see if it's still within specs or showing any sides of excess wear.
Yeah I have two trucks produced 3 weeks apart one max one regular both 2018 and one is on its 2nd set of cam phasers at 42k and probably needs a 3rd. The other is on its first set at 50k. So it seems to vary. Only major difference is the non max has the tow package, wonder if the gear ratio has anything to do with timing.
However I will say both all had the same issues,
Camphasers, timing chain, pano moon roof guides and screens, 4 wheel drive actuators being stuck or broken...
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I have a July 2019 build with 16k miles and no issues so far. There are various rattles on cold start, but nothing you can hear without having the hood open and standing next to it. Cam phasers for the most part seem to be an oil flow issue, with a secondary contribution of the pin design, so it wouldn't surprise me that if you have an engine that has bad phasers, you are like to need replacements down the line. Oil flow issues are next to impossible to fix (thinking slight variance in the block's internal passages), so I would hope Ford would be coming up with a solution that is more tolerant of the tolerances in the oil flow.
Of course the more expensive, but more robust design would be to move to electrically actuated, computer controlled phaser, instead of the hydraulically operated phasers, or skip that entirely and go with solenoid actuated valves like Koenigsegg does. Electric motors would probably be cheaper at that point though.
Of course the more expensive, but more robust design would be to move to electrically actuated, computer controlled phaser, instead of the hydraulically operated phasers, or skip that entirely and go with solenoid actuated valves like Koenigsegg does. Electric motors would probably be cheaper at that point though.
You lost me about halfway through...
I've had them replaced 2 times already potentially going back for a third after 3 weeks of having the second ones done. I think what you are trying to say is if the phasers are on the high or low side of the tolerances the internal block passage variance will always cause them to break.
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