Disappointing 4WD performance on snow.

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carymccarr

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This is not a conspiracy theory, or a secret. Just look at the UTQG rating on the stock tire. My STOCK Toyo Open Country UTQG rating is 300, marked right on the tire. VERY low rating. Same low rating on all of my original tires since 1991. 300-360.

My stocks read: Treadwear 700

Wife’s stocks read: Treadwear 480

I’m not arguing that the manufacturer uses
A mediocre tire, I’m just pushing back on them using tires, with identical DOTs as other generally available tires with different rubber compounds and tread depths.

300 tread tires are readily available so I’m not arguing that point.




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What about tires from wal mart, for example?

My experience with their goodyear wranglers left me swearing to never put that shit on any vehicle of mine ever again.

Then I actually did it again December 2019. I put Goodyear Wrangler Trailmarks on my Explorer.
Had to get two replaced September '20. Probably not so much the tire's issue as it was having a hole in the sidewall of one, and then hitting a piece of metal as big as my thumb on the highway (in my defense I didn't see the metal, probably couldn't have seen it anyway).

Otherwise, those particular Goodyears have held up well. I had a set put on my Mountaineer in 2012 and those were the junkiest pieces of shit I've had on a vehicle since 1993.
A friend of mine said the same thing about some cheaper tires he had mounted on his truck...
 

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How is this still going?

Who cares at this point?

Some people have no issues with the OEM tires they are OK. Like I said above, I will not do the same when I go to replace them, but they are fine.

If you don’t like them, put a different set on...pretty simple.


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Agreed - everyone has different experiences with tires. Every product out there you’ll see wildly varying reviews.

One bit of confusion on this board to clarify.
DOT code - alpha numeric code given to a specific tire (pattern, compound, materials, shape) to create traceability in the market. Each tire will have an 8 digit unique code, which includes plant identifier. If something major has updated, like compound, materials, shaping, etc...it will most likely be different in this 8 digit code.

UTQG rating is the traction, temperature and wear rating of a tire. These ratings are extremely loose on their application and consistency. They are a minimum value, which means a tire must meet at minimum this rating. Reason of inconsistency is that it can be expensive to certify each tire for full tread wear, so there’s a good chance that there are tires that are estimated for performance based on extrapolated data , while estimating the rating on the conservative side (or face penalties if the tire is audited and doesn’t meet the ratings.) Therefore, it’s common for different tires of similar product range to have the same rating, but each tire can have some decent variation in actual performance, but ultimately on the safe side.

If you get a poor performing tire for wear (with proper usage and setup), most likely it’s on the low end of variation, most likely right at the UTQG value. Others higher performing are probably conservative in their rating.
 

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How is this still going?

Who cares at this point?

Some people have no issues with the OEM tires they are OK. Like I said above, I will not do the same when I go to replace them, but they are fine.

If you don’t like them, put a different set on...pretty simple.


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Yeah it’s not whether people like crappy
Oem. The question is whether Ford puts top secret low quality tires on their vehicles. So far most say yes yet zero people can document it.


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I don't think they are top secret. I just think the tires they put on at factory are the cheapest they can get their hands on and are usually specifically made for that car. The manufacturer of the tires still offers those tires to the general public, because most people go to dealer and say "new tires please" and the dealer puts those right back on it because they cost them the least........ Nothing top secret, just low quality parts they can buy cheapest.
 

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I don't think they are top secret. I just think the tires they put on at factory are the cheapest they can get their hands on and are usually specifically made for that car. The manufacturer of the tires still offers those tires to the general public, because most people go to dealer and say "new tires please" and the dealer puts those right back on it because they cost them the least........ Nothing top secret, just low quality parts they can buy cheapest.

Nobody is doubting that I don’t think. I’m certainly not.

The question is whether there are tires only used by manufacturers and when you get replacements at the tire shop (same Dot numbers [maybe different plant number etc though]) the tires are a different tread depth and rubber compound etc.


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While some might be saying same DOT number, my specific example was that while working at tire shops, we quite often got tires in that were stock, and needed to be replaced. We would often replace them with the exact same brand, model, size, series, and the aftermarket tire was slightly different. Different tread depth, different compound, etc. and it DID have a different DOT number. My case is essentially saying yes, the manufacturers sell OEM specific versions of a common tire that you can't buy retail.
 

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If they have the same DOT number, they are the same tires. There are lots of legal implications if a tire company would sell two quality levels with the same numbers in accidents, warranty, recalls. And if a customer replaces two tires and they get mixed up during rotations, you can have issues too. Plus it would open up a scam business opportunity mixing the supply chains hurting the tire company and again opening them up for legal issues. Etc etc.

Tire companies already have enough issues with the same tires from different factories, let alone they would add to this. Same DOT is same tire.

Yes, OEM tires are often cheap and less than other options. Yes, OEM tires are often made specifically for OEM purposes. No, OEM tires are not secretly lower quality than the same tire model/DOT you buy later in a tire shop.
 
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