2022 hybrid option? yes please

[lv2drive]

here's what i'm hearing about the '22 hybrid - if it comes

430h/570tq!

if it rings true, which it seems it will - sign me up!!!

any thoughts on this?

..."the 2022 Expedition is expected to use the PowerBoost V6 setup, which pairs a twin-turbo 3.5-liter EcoBoost V6 with a 35-kilowatt electric motor and a 1.5-kilowatt-hour lithium-ion battery, mated to a 10-speed automatic transmission. In the truck, it makes 430 horsepower (321 kilowatts) and 570 pound-feet (773 Newton-meters) of torque, promising up to 12,000 pounds of max towing."

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[carymccarr]

here's what i'm hearing about the '22 hybrid - if it comes

430h/570tq!

if it rings true, which it seems it will - sign me up!!!

any thoughts on this?

..."the 2022 Expedition is expected to use the PowerBoost V6 setup, which pairs a twin-turbo 3.5-liter EcoBoost V6 with a 35-kilowatt electric motor and a 1.5-kilowatt-hour lithium-ion battery, mated to a 10-speed automatic transmission. In the truck, it makes 430 horsepower (321 kilowatts) and 570 pound-feet (773 Newton-meters) of torque, promising up to 12,000 pounds of max towing."

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Yep. If there’s a Navi variant I’m in for sure.


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[lv2drive]

+the "timberline" trim with different (better) bumpers for in / out.

selected.

 

[dlcorbett]

I can see lincoln adding a gt trim for the navigator hybrid like how they have for the aviator line. If the hy rid can do 27+ mpg on the hwy with only a 1k or so price bump, im all in.

 

[Matthew Marlowe]

First, if those towing numbers, are accurate..it's a huge boost. I doubt it though. The expedition has a limited wheelbase. It's not going to get same rating as proper f150.

But, if Ford could produce a max platinum 4x4 version with hybrid motor and enough wheelbase to mostly eliminate sway on 33ft 9k lb trailer...I'd buy it in a heartbeat, especially if it included builtin inverter. Honestly, I'd be willing to pay much more for it.

Devil is in details.

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[lv2drive]

even if you’re right and the towing weight is reduced in comparison to the 150, fine with me as 10k towing would be great / regular towing would be superior to what we’ve got now.

PLUS: THE MILEAGE!!!!

(+ the inverter!!!)

 

[JasonH]

I can see lincoln adding a gt trim for the navigator hybrid like how they have for the aviator line. If the hy rid can do 27+ mpg on the hwy with only a 1k or so price bump, im all in.

Hybrid in F150 is 24/24. You're very unlikely to see any better from the Expedition. Weight and aero limit the gains. But 24 combined is still a big improvement.

 

[JasonH]

First, if those towing numbers, are accurate..it's a huge boost. I doubt it though. The expedition has a limited wheelbase. It's not going to get same rating as proper f150.

But, if Ford could produce a max platinum 4x4 version with hybrid motor and enough wheelbase to mostly eliminate sway on 33ft 9k lb trailer...I'd buy it in a heartbeat, especially if it included builtin inverter. Honestly, I'd be willing to pay much more for it.

Devil is in details.

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The towing is primarily a function of the frame and suspension. Towing a heavier load requires a stiffer suspension that can make the vehicle uncomfortable when unladen. That's why Ford offered the seperate HDPP package for heavier towing on the F150.

My trailer is 33 ft and I don't have issues with sway. Just need higher tongue weight.

I doubt Ford will increase the tow rating, but the 7.2 kW and mpg are compelling enough, especially with the power issues we've had here in Texas.

 

[RedLdr1]

Before we bought our Expedition we looked at several 2021 F-150's with the hybrid option. The issue we had is the weight of the hybrid equipment takes the trucks cargo capacity down dramatically. The hybrid F-150's were in the 700-900 pound range. A similarly equipped non-hybrid would have 1400-1600 pounds cargo capacity.

I'd be really interested in a 2022 hybrid Expedition but Ford will have to improve the cargo capacity of the current hybrids to get me in one.

 

[lv2drive]

yikes - perhaps not a dealbreaker for me, but really good point that i predict could be an issue for some on here.

i’ll tell you what, on the upside - judging how good our 19 gasser is - i’ll betcha the hybrid is probably amazing in the snow, with all that additional low center gravity weight - and dare i say potentially safer & more sure footed ride in general?

all considered, very curious to see what the handling & general ride changes may be - and what the overall final release options / specs will be.

 

[JasonH]

Before we bought our Expedition we looked at several 2021 F-150's with the hybrid option. The issue we had is the weight of the hybrid equipment takes the trucks cargo capacity down dramatically. The hybrid F-150's were in the 700-900 pound range. A similarly equipped non-hybrid would have 1400-1600 pounds cargo capacity.

I'd be really interested in a 2022 hybrid Expedition but Ford will have to improve the cargo capacity of the current hybrids to get me in one.

The Powerboost trims listed on this
thread still have at least 1400 lbs.

https://www.f150gen14.com/forum/thr...-0l-stx-5-0l-xlt-5-0l-xlt-3-5l-ecoboost.1146/

 

[Deadman]

Where did you guys think that battery power was gonna come from? Its not lightweight stuff were talking to add that complicated BS to any vehicle. I mean any motor and battery I've ever messed with is heavy and they weren't powering a SUV! lol.

 

[lv2drive]

so, looks like the hybrid addition looks to be less than 500lbs?

for that kind of power & efficiency, i'd take the cargo hit.

 

[carymccarr]

Where did you guys think that battery power was gonna come from? Its not lightweight stuff were talking to add that complicated BS to any vehicle. I mean any motor and battery I've ever messed with is heavy and they weren't powering a SUV! lol.

Batteries and electric motors are about as uncomplicated as it gets.

But I must say it’s refreshing to see how long it took here for people to get riled up about future tech. This thread wouldn’t have gotten beyond post 3 on a GM forum. Those dudes are full on “protect the queen” panic mode with anything that’s more advanced than a naturally aspirated V8 lol


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[Deadman]

Batteries and electric motors are about as uncomplicated as it gets.

But I must say it’s refreshing to see how long it took here for people to get riled up about future tech. This thread wouldn’t have gotten beyond post 3 on a GM forum. Those dudes are full on “protect the queen” panic mode with anything that’s more advanced than a naturally aspirated V8 lol


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The complicated point is when its in conjunction with a gas engine. The point was motors and batteries are heavy..... No getting around that.

 

[JasonH]

Where did you guys think that battery power was gonna come from? Its not lightweight stuff were talking to add that complicated BS to any vehicle. I mean any motor and battery I've ever messed with is heavy and they weren't powering a SUV! lol.

The battery on the Powerboost isn't really that large...it's only 1.5kWh. A generic 100amp 12v LiFePO will usually come in well under 50lbs. The Ford battery will have additional packaging for cooling, shock, etc. I think the weight comes from the aggregate of battery, motor, inverter, regen brakes, etc. It's not any one component at fault.

The benefits apparently outweigh the shortcomings. This is the fastest half ton (sans TRX), highest towing, and most fuel efficient gas powertrain. I think GM and Ram really missed the ball on this one. They had an opportunity to one up Ford and have failed. Ram at least made a strong effort with the interior upgrades and ride quality. I don't know what competition GM thought it entered.

Also GM came out with the Bolt EUV and Ford came out with the Mach E. I know which one I think is better. Ford is hitting home runs with its new products. Only thing holding Ford back is Covid production woes.

 

[Matthew Marlowe]

1.5kwh is puny. It's less than the 2.5kwh that Ford put in its 2012 plug-in hybrids, and far less than the 25-80 or even as high as 200kwh advertised in some modern crazy EV's. Still, gas plus batteries - not just battery alone has been the best solution for awhile now and I'm happy that Ford is deploying across product line...even if they use the silly grand touring demarcation in the luxury brand. The tech has been here for almost a decade now which should have allowed multiple revisions to get cooling, cost, durability, and weight as best as they can before mass deployment.

Bigger question really is the frame and suspension...f150 had minimal changes there unless you ordered tremor f150, mostly just interior refresh with styling changes.

Will Ford do something new just for expedition refresh, I don't know.

 

[RedLdr1]

The Powerboost trims listed on this
thread still have at least 1400 lbs.

https://www.f150gen14.com/forum/thr...-0l-stx-5-0l-xlt-5-0l-xlt-3-5l-ecoboost.1146/

Since we tow a travel trailer, and may upgrade it eventually, the first thing I look at is the cargo capacity of any vehicle we like. In our case all the F-150's we looked at were 2021 4X4 SuperCrews at the King Ranch on higher trim levels. The hybrid shown in that thread would have worked for us, even though I prefer having a Max Tow Package, as it is nicely equipped Lariat. Not having the Max Tow cost that truck 1,400 of rated tow capacity. But the saving grace for that particular truck was someone was smart enough to order the 7350# GVWR option. Without it you'd be down to 1200 pounds, or less, of cargo capacity...and that is marginal for many who tow. My concerns are related purely to the cargo capacity of the vehicles we were able to locate in the metro Atlanta market. That same cargo capacity requirement made it "fun" finding a 2020 Expedition with the Heavy Duty Trailer Tow package.

As far as "protecting the queen" you've got the wrong guy. I'm not a Luddite against hybrids or all electric vehicles. We've owned Ford C-Max hybrids, my daily driver before I retired, and my wife's daily driver was a hybrid Fusion. And we plan on buying a Mach-e when the GT version becomes available so we can see and touch one before ordering it. The C-Max did pretty good in Atlanta traffic as shown in the attached photo.

 

[JasonH]

1.5kwh is puny. It's less than the 2.5kwh that Ford put in its 2012 plug-in hybrids, and far less than the 25-80 or even as high as 200kwh advertised in some modern crazy EV's. Still, gas plus batteries - not just battery alone has been the best solution for awhile now and I'm happy that Ford is deploying across product line...even if they use the silly grand touring demarcation in the luxury brand. The tech has been here for almost a decade now which should have allowed multiple revisions to get cooling, cost, durability, and weight as best as they can before mass deployment.

Bigger question really is the frame and suspension...f150 had minimal changes there unless you ordered tremor f150, mostly just interior refresh with styling changes.

Will Ford do something new just for expedition refresh, I don't know.

According to this article, spies heard the refreshed Expedition operating in EV mode. I don't know that it actually made any noise (for the obvious reason), but I guess there no discernable exhaust note.

https://fordauthority.com/2021/01/2022-ford-expedition-hybrid-spied-testing-for-the-first-time/

 

[JasonH]

As far as "protecting the queen" you've got the wrong guy. I'm not a Luddite against hybrids or all electric vehicles. We've owned Ford C-Max hybrids, my daily driver before I retired, and my wife's daily driver was a hybrid Fusion. And we plan on buying a Mach-e when the GT version becomes available so we can see and touch one before ordering it. The C-Max did pretty good in Atlanta traffic as shown in the attached photo.

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Sorry, I wasn't trying to imply that you were a Luddite. Just wanted to convey that the Hybrids seem to have retained most of the payload needed for towing heavy loads, even in higher trims levels. I think it's foreshadowing what we can expect when the powertrain makes its debut in the Expedition.

As an aside, I'm actually at the Ford dealership getting an extra key made for my recently acquired Ford Focus Electric. Awesome car so far. In the two weeks I've owned it, I've already saved $100 in gas over driving my Expedition. Between gas, tires, oil changes, and depreciation, it's nearly paying for itself.