Ford Expedition 2018 - 2020

[Porsche911]

Hi I am looking to buy a Ford Expedition 2018 - 2020 and I wanted to know if there any problems with this model? Is the 3.5l V6 and 10 speed automatic good?


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[dlcorbett]

You have a lot to catch up. The forum is very informative with the "common" issues in regard to the expy as well as threads with similar questions where the issues are summarized.

Main things to look for are cam phaser issues and shocks(base suspension)

 

[mwl001]

I think dlcorbett summarized issues perfectly. I'll just add that for all the bellyaching about the "complexity" and "unreliability" of the V6 with turbos... Ford has put a ton of these in pickups and SUVs for years, same with the 10 speed now, and if it were any less reliable than average that fact could not have escaped awareness in the market. For me it was one of the reasons I liked the vehicle, you basically get max performance no matter the trim line (Platinum offers what amounts to a different tune, basically). Toyota powertrains are exceptionally reliable but they do that by not innovating (hybrids are the exception). That's a choice you'll pay for at the pump, whether or not it actually saves you money isn't something you'll know for years (as an example).

I think the best thing for the Ford ecoboost engines is to use only synthetic oil and change more frequently than Ford tells you to get away with. So if you buy used, best to be able to verify how well the vehicle was maintained.

 

[Calidad]

I’ll tell you September build 2019’s quietly got tweaks to the 3.5. Mine to my surprise has a cast aluminum oil pan instead of the plastic oil pan

 

[Calidad]

I think dlcorbett summarized issues perfectly. I'll just add that for all the bellyaching about the "complexity" and "unreliability" of the V6 with turbos... Ford has put a ton of these in pickups and SUVs for years, same with the 10 speed now, and if it were any less reliable than average that fact could not have escaped awareness in the market. For me it was one of the reasons I liked the vehicle, you basically get max performance no matter the trim line (Platinum offers what amounts to a different tune, basically). Toyota powertrains are exceptionally reliable but they do that by not innovating (hybrids are the exception). That's a choice you'll pay for at the pump, whether or not it actually saves you money isn't something you'll know for years (as an example).

I think the best thing for the Ford ecoboost engines is to use only synthetic oil and change more frequently than Ford tells you to get away with. So if you buy used, best to be able to verify how well the vehicle was maintained.

I moved from 27 yrs of Toyotas to a 2019 Expedition platinum. Zero complaints loving it. Didn’t even consider another Toyota truck..

 

[Rossue]

All the problems you read about on any forum are by definition anecdotal and in Consumer Behavior it is taught that people are 9X as likely to tell someone of a negative experience than a positive one. My 2019 XLT is outperforming my expectations to be primarily a tow vehicle for a 4500# max weight TT. Gets about the same mileage- 13 as my 2013 Yukon did, yet is much more enjoyable to drive and has better cargo room as well. My July 19 build has aluminum oil pan as well.

 

[Porsche911]

I’ll tell you September build 2019’s quietly got tweaks to the 3.5. Mine to my surprise has a cast aluminum oil pan instead of the plastic oil pan

How many miles are on the expedition?


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[Porsche911]

All the problems you read about on any forum are by definition anecdotal and in Consumer Behavior it is taught that people are 9X as likely to tell someone of a negative experience than a positive one. My 2019 XLT is outperforming my expectations to be primarily a tow vehicle for a 4500# max weight TT. Gets about the same mileage- 13 as my 2013 Yukon did, yet is much more enjoyable to drive and has better cargo room as well. My July 19 build has aluminum oil pan as well.

How many miles are on your expedition?


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[Calidad]

How many miles are on the expedition?


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14,000 but my other Ford has 70,000 zero issues. Get a warranty tho even a crashed mobile data chip will cost you $600 to replace if it dies. No difference what brand you buy today they all will have issues. Even my basic Toyotas had costly fixes.

 

[Rossue]

How many miles are on the expedition?


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23K miles.

 

[EricExpedition]

And go ahead and splurge on a model with the stock LED headlights because the stock projector headlights are absolute junk. You can't see anything beyond 10 feet in front of you at night! Probably Ford's greatest engineering failure since the Pinto. My 2013 projectors on my F150 are great so I don't know how they managed to screw up the Expedition ones so badly 5 years later.

You have a lot to catch up. The forum is very informative with the "common" issues in regard to the expy as well as threads with similar questions where the issues are summarized.

Main things to look for are cam phaser issues and shocks(base suspension)

 

[Porsche911]

And go ahead and splurge on a model with the stock LED headlights because the stock projector headlights are absolute junk. You can't see anything beyond 10 feet in front of you at night! Probably Ford's greatest engineering failure since the Pinto. My 2013 projectors on my F150 are great so I don't know how they managed to screw up the Expedition ones so badly 5 years later.

How many miles you got on it?


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[Rossue]

And go ahead and splurge on a model with the stock LED headlights because the stock projector headlights are absolute junk. You can't see anything beyond 10 feet in front of you at night! Probably Ford's greatest engineering failure since the Pinto. My 2013 projectors on my F150 are great so I don't know how they managed to screw up the Expedition ones so badly 5 years later.

I don't have any problem with my projector headlights AND wouldn't want a Panoramic roof or power running boards just to get LED's.

 

[MxRacer965]

I don't have any problem with my projector headlights AND wouldn't want a Panoramic roof or power running boards just to get LED's.

Well, I guess if you are coming from a vehicle with kerosene lamps for headlights the halogens might be OK ‍

once you have good headlights you won’t go back.

 

[EricExpedition]

You're one of the lucky ones then! Or the Ford engineer... haha. This forum has been filled with complaints from the beginning about these headlights.

https://www.expeditionforum.com/threads/headlight-weirdness.36095/

I'm not sure about the other Expedition options and configurations, but when I'm looking for a new F150 (or maybe a Bronco!) there is no way I will buy one without the LED headlights now.

I don't have any problem with my projector headlights AND wouldn't want a Panoramic roof or power running boards just to get LED's.

 

[EricExpedition]

Just over 56K. Same issues: cam phaser fixed around 40K because of rattling on startup, had one leaking shock at 2K miles, and I forgot to mention the big one! I must have blocked it from my memory. Complete A/C replacement because of a "refrigerant contamination" in production.

https://www.expeditionforum.com/threads/contaminated-refrigerant-issue.37306/

I think this was a small number of 2018 vehicles but the dealer said it would have been well over $5K if it had not been under warranty.

How many miles you got on it?


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[Jeffrey Long]

Well my wife loved her 2018 4x4 Platinum Expedition so much, we just got her a 2021 4x4 Platinum Expedition... the 2018 was mechanically sound however it had several "gremlins" in the BCM that Ford never did figure out. Those gremilns included the side mirrors sporadically going crazy when the vehicle was opened with the 2nd key fob (never the 1st key fob), and the doors locks (not the drivers door) losing the touch unlock feature. None of the issues were were what I would consider big, they were more like inconvenient annoyances.

 

[Robert Wright]

2018 Expy Limited, had to replace front shocks @ 52,0000 miles other than that only planned maintenance.

 

[Mike Wolfe]

Retired automotive engineer here
Have 2018 XLT loaded with HD tow & FX4. heated & cooled seats, NAV, adaptive cruise etc.
48k Miles
Always full synthetic oil changes
5 Star tune 93 octane (Always tune my vehicles as soon as I can get the tune after purchase)
Tow our RZR turbo with it
Absolutely no issues
Lovin the ecoboost engines (have owned 7 of them)
Plan to trade for a 2022 Bronco or EXPY later this year
0-60mph times are close to 4 seconds with this tune & E30 fuel
Will not consider anything but Ford with ecoboost engines as long as they available

 

[Porsche911]

Retired automotive engineer here
Have 2018 XLT loaded with HD tow & FX4. heated & cooled seats, NAV, adaptive cruise etc.
48k Miles
Always full synthetic oil changes
5 Star tune 93 octane (Always tune my vehicles as soon as I can get the tune after purchase)
Tow our RZR turbo with it
Absolutely no issues
Lovin the ecoboost engines (have owned 7 of them)
Plan to trade for a 2022 Bronco or EXPY later this year
0-60mph times are close to 4 seconds with this tune & E30 fuel
Will not consider anything but Ford with ecoboost engines as long as they available

Because your automative engineer I had some questions for you:

1. What do you of the turbos? Because I heard that turbos are pretty bad for engine’s.
2. How much miles do you think that engine will last?
3. What do you think about the transmission? Because I heard that it’s pretty bad.


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