Lincoln emblem on 2020 Platinum engine?

[LokiWolf]

Some clarity on the Motors:

ALL 4th Gen Expeditions have the same Motor.
The Platinum is merely a tune difference from the rest. When tuned aftermarket they all have the same potential, and a Limited will get no less power than a Platinum tuned.

The Navi has the HO or otherwise in some cases referred to as the Raptor Motor. There are several physical differences. Turbos, Pistons, and a few other things. The HO motors run a slightly lower compression to handle the additional power.


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[lv2drive]

Some clarity on the Motors:

ALL 4th Gen Expeditions have the same Motor.
The Platinum is merely a tune difference from the rest. When tuned aftermarket they all have the same potential, and a Limited will get no less power than a Platinum tuned.

The Navi has the HO or otherwise in some cases referred to as the Raptor Motor. There are several physical differences. Turbos, Pistons, and a few other things. The HO motors run a slightly lower compression to handle the additional power.


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do we know if any parts of the engine assembly (other than the cover) that can physically visibly identify & distinguish the HO motor / components vs. the non-HO?

the sound thing & mileage got me thinking Brian might have an actual HO - which would be insane

 

[Nate2020KR]

I remember Deadman saying his wife's Navigator is so much louder than his Expedition. Maybe this was an experiment or a huge goof. I would say crawl under there and compare it to a Expedition and a Navigator .

 

[Zig10]

Man...an actual unicorn??? Always heard stories of muscle cars back in the 60s "accidentally" getting the bigger engine or LSD rear.

 

[Gumby]

There must be quite a few QC stations along the way, including the last one as it exits the factory. Don't they pop the hood at some point to make sure theres a motor in there?

Also, what about the dealer when they did the PDI? No issues there? Seems to me there are quite a few potential spots to call out the issue, but then again weirder things have happened. Remember the Jeep Wrangler issues getting mismatched fender colors....yeah me too.

 

[LokiWolf]

do we know if any parts of the engine assembly (other than the cover) that can physically visibly identify & distinguish the HO motor / components vs. the non-HO?

the sound thing & mileage got me thinking Brian might have an actual HO - which would be insane

Excellent question! Let me do some research and ask those who know the HO motor backwards and forwards.

I would be able to tell with a FORSCAN scan and vehicle detail report...but guessing @BrianF doesn’t have FORSCAN and an adapter.


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[lv2drive]

IF this were a unicorn - which WOULD be crazy -

IMO whether it’s just the cover, or the entire HO setup - theres no way the factory folks did not approve it.

having said that, if it IS a full HO, the dealership inspection fail has no excuse. there are so many legal caveats to selling a vehicle with a power plant that much more powerful than the stock expy spec. i think corporate would want to know this & address it with you.

my concern would be if are there any other drive related components in the Navi that are upgraded in comparison to the expy, & whether some of the expy parts could handle the power without long term issues.

if there are, i’ll bet you would have a good case to force Ford to replace those parts with the navi equivalent - at least for longevity & peace of mind.

and - what if you were a customer who didn’t want the extra power / noise / reduction in mpg?

the list goes on how it could be a headache for ford -

 

[Nate2020KR]

What about the emissions sticker on the hood. What does it say? We can compare that maybe.

 

[NyackRob79]

I would remove the engine cover and see if there's a hidden message written on the bottom from the lineman at the factory. Maybe it's a scavenger hunt that will point to other Navi upgrades!

 

[Vipersinu2]

Was the expedition purchased new or used?

If it was used the 1st owner could of changed cover out.

 

[BrianF]

Was the expedition purchased new or used?

If it was used the 1st owner could of changed cover out.

As I said earlier, it is new. Ordered May 2020, delivered from the factory to dealership July 2020.

 

[LokiWolf]

Excellent question! Let me do some research and ask those who know the HO motor backwards and forwards.

I would be able to tell with a FORSCAN scan and vehicle detail report...but guessing @BrianF doesn’t have FORSCAN and an adapter.


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There is nothing external to easily tell based on physical attributes based on my sources.

A FORSCAN scan would give me the data I would need to confirm one way or the other. As would a scan with a HP Tuners MPVI2. Dang, wished I closer...


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[LokiWolf]

What about the emissions sticker on the hood. What does it say? We can compare that maybe.

@BrianF Can you get a pic of this for us?


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[wakeboarder]

If the turbos are different, try this. Look just above and behind the drivers side front tire. You should be able to see the turbo. What is your the PN on your drivers side turbo? Mine is JL3E 6C879 BF.

 

[BrianF]

Snapped a photo of the emission sticker

 

[Tocapet]

Should have bought a Navi in the first place.

 

[battalion3]

Check the serial number of the engine. Take that number to any Ford Dealer and they can tell you what version of the 3.5L is in your Expy.
Yes there are different versions of this engine as there are different versions of the 2.7L turbo and 3.0L turbo.
If any of you actually worked at Ford you would know that engines are line set to the frame and installed before any portion of the body. So yes line set issues do occur, and at 45-60 sec station times, easily missed by anyone in the process.
Not making excuses but this happens at every auto or truck assembly plant. At every manufacturer foreign or domestic. This is a fact that human error happens.
When found these vehicles are sent to offline repair and it is there that something as simple as the wrong engine cover gets put on a vehicle.
The Expy and Navigator are built at Kentucky Truck on the same line.
When processing 500-700 vehicles a shift an unfortunate mistake can happen.
Again find the serial number of the engine and take it to a Ford Dealer who can look up and solve your questions.

 

[chuck s]

I'm sure there's some guy with a Navigator and Expedition engine -- and hasn't got a clue.

Decades ago my brother worked on the crankshaft line at the Cleveland Ford Engine plant every half dozen cranks were the HiPo version and many of these ended up in normal 289 engines.

And also decades ago I watched a just introduced car being offloaded from an auto carrier. Was trimmed Dodge on one side and Plymouth on the other. Car was quickly pushed "around back" and covered with a tarp. QC fail.

 

[Fizzy]

Changing gear slightly - what is the Expy Platinum supposed to have on the engine? I don't think ours has anything - just the bare valve covers. Is there supposed to be a cover? Should I demand one from the dealer?

2020 Expy Platinum, ordered July 2020, delivered October 2020.

 

[5280tunage]

Changing gear slightly - what is the Expy Platinum supposed to have on the engine? I don't think ours has anything - just the bare valve covers. Is there supposed to be a cover? Should I demand one from the dealer?

2020 Expy Platinum, ordered July 2020, delivered October 2020.

Yes, it should have a rigid foam Ford engine cover on it.

Also, to @battalion3 - I don't think anyone here is arguing mistakes don't happen, but with half a dozen QC checks along the way, someone should have noticed something was wrong. Especially once it was checked in and received at a dealer. And again, with every single part being logged as it's used (or at least they are supposed to be for supply chain and safety reasons, like recalls), it should have been caught along the way.