Safety Recall 22S36 - Certain 2021 Model Year Expedition and Lincoln Navigator Vehicles - Underhood Fire

[HazBeen]

Advanced Notice Letter to Dealers

 

[Rob6805]

Mine was built between those dates. Hope they figure out what is causing the fires quickly.

 

[mpc11]

A little more info here: https://www.clickondetroit.com/cons...rs-ford-recalls-suvs-due-to-engine-fire-risk/

"Ford has reports of 16 fires under the hood, 14 in rental company vehicles. One person was burned. It's recommending that the SUVs be parked outdoors and away from buildings. So far it hasn't developed a repair for the fires, which appear to start at the back of the engine compartment on the passenger side.

Of the 16 fires, 12 happened while the SUV engines were turned off"

 

[5280tunage]

maybe some of the cardboard and felt skid plates are getting too hot from the exhaust, j/k, what a crap shoot. There are videos on here of epxy owners in 2018/2019 that have had engine fires, but in general they were while the vehicle was operating, definitely not in an off state, which to me could only lead to one thing, electrical, or I suppose fuel leaking onto exhaust but that would happen immediately after driving, not while sitting in a garage for hours and hours.

 

[99WhiteC5Coupe]

Fire!!!

Certain 2021 Expedition's can catch on fire. https://www.clickondetroit.com/consumer/help-me-hank/2022/05/19/park-outdoors-ford-recalls-suvs-due-to-engine-fire-risk/ Mine falls into the build date range: built from Dec. 1, 2020 to April 30, 2021 Lovely...

www.expeditionforum.com

 

[Rob6805]

How in the world do they know a build date range without knowing the root cause?

 

[ROBERT BONNER]

Don't feel any false sense of security if your Gen IV was built outside of those dates. 20/39000 is 5/100ths of a percent.....that is actually 1/3 the rate for thermal events in gas powered new vehicles in general; however, as mentioned above most thermal events occur while the vehicle is running, making these noteworthy. With such a low sample size and no described cause....and so few parts changed between '20 and '21...make sure your house insurance is paid up if you have anything built within a year those dates.

Just saying.

 

[Tuck]

I'm guessing that's the date range of the ones that caught on fire. Mine's right in the middle Feb 21. Probably a bad batch of a certain part in the electrical system that corroded over time leading to a short or overheating in a circuit. Of course, that opinion and three bucks will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks. Oh wait, that was before inflation.

 

[ColoradoJon]

This feels pretty crazy. Considering my garage is below my kids bedrooms, I am going to park outside till they figure it out. Sucks cause we have 4-10 inches of snow forecasted tomorrow. Gotta love Colorado.

 

[Gstan]

This feels pretty crazy. Considering my garage is below my kids bedrooms, I am going to park outside till they figure it out. Sucks cause we have 4-10 inches of snow forecasted tomorrow. Gotta love Colorado.

Meanwhile in NC it's going to be 96.

 

[ManUpOrShutUp]

There was a guy here whose new Expedition caught on fire. I seem to recall something about him contacting Ford and Ford telling him to take a hike.

 

[apex96]

To be honest, I've had a an electrical and or burning plastic smell emanating from the passenger side, mid to back of the engine bay, of my 2018 before. I have been unable to pinpoint where the smell has been coming from, every part that I've hypothesized so far has not turned out to be super hot and or show signs of burns or heat deformed plastics... So, I'm not entirely sure that this unknown issue only affects the date ranges that ford has called out, so far. This recall could end up growing to encompass more or all of the 4th gens on the road.

 

[JONWIC]

They jam so much plastic and other garbage on these engines it will be hard to figure out what the cause actually is

 

[Fastcar]

maybe some of the cardboard and felt skid plates are getting too hot from the exhaust, j/k, what a crap shoot. There are videos on here of epxy owners in 2018/2019 that have had engine fires, but in general they were while the vehicle was operating, definitely not in an off state, which to me could only lead to one thing, electrical, or I suppose fuel leaking onto exhaust but that would happen immediately after driving, not while sitting in a garage for hours and hours.

I think you are on to something here. Those turbo's produce a hell of a lot of heat. I go back to using a Cummins, there was a thing where you should idle them if the were worked hard prior to shut down so the turbo would cool. Well, Ford has 2 turbos and nothing about cooling them. The temp climbs with no cooling when first shut down Ford may have changed the shielding to protect from excessive heat. 'Cause hth have they narrowed down the build dates that may have an issue?

 

[Rob6805]

Pretty lame that Ford can't figure out what is causing the fires. And I wonder why it doesn't impact the F150's with the same powertrain too? Something unique to the Expedition/Navigator.

 

[keny01998]

To be honest, I've had a an electrical and or burning plastic smell emanating from the passenger side, mid to back of the engine bay, of my 2018 before. I have been unable to pinpoint where the smell has been coming from, every part that I've hypothesized so far has not turned out to be super hot and or show signs of burns or heat deformed plastics... So, I'm not entirely sure that this unknown issue only affects the date ranges that ford has called out, so far. This recall could end up growing to encompass more or all of the 4th gens on the road.

I have the same burning issue since last year and the dealer couldn't duplicate it. It will show up after a long drive and or when it's cold weather. I have 2019 XLT

 

[ColoradoJon]

I have smelled some electric burn smell as well on my 2019... It has always seemed random so much that I thought it was somebody else's coming through my vents.

Turbo cool down is something on my mind as well. I was wondering how the auto start/stop plays a factor here. On really hot days I have turned it off. Towing mode turns it off automatically. It makes me wonder if it has some consequences that would certainly outweigh any benefit gained in MPG.

I love this rig but it makes me worry way more than any car I have ever had with how much money it costs and how many potential things can go wrong. This fire thing makes me really consider dumping it.

 

[Fastcar]

I have smelled some electric burn smell as well on my 2019... It has always seemed random so much that I thought it was somebody else's coming through my vents.

Turbo cool down is something on my mind as well. I was wondering how the auto start/stop plays a factor here. On really hot days I have turned it off. Towing mode turns it off automatically. It makes me wonder if it has some consequences that would certainly outweigh any benefit gained in MPG.

I love this rig but it makes me worry way more than any car I have ever had with how much money it costs and how many potential things can go wrong. This fire thing makes me really consider dumping it.

There haven't been that many instances of fire when you consider the number of them in use. The stop/start is my major concern with regards to wear and tear. Somebody had a link up for a by-pass harness that eliminates it.

 

[ManUpOrShutUp]

There haven't been that many instances of fire when you consider the number of them in use.

The number of new vehicles that spontaneously combust should be zero, especially when one considers what they cost.

 

[Fastcar]

The number of new vehicles that spontaneously combust should be zero, especially when one considers what they cost.

Yup, but there shouldn't be failures of any kind in a perfect world.