Shopping… Question

[PrepVet]

My ‘15 EL was totaled by a deer so I am slowly shopping for a GEN4 to replace it. I really liked that car.

When I went to a VIN decoder website and ran it does this mean it would have the two speed transfer case?

Thanks!

 

[JExpedition07]

I believe it depends on the year, from my understanding 18-21 you need HD tow. I thought I read on the 2022+ Ford returned to the 2007-2017 style transfer case which is the BorgWarner TOD (which automatically comes with low range).

I’ve had a hard time finding a 4th gen with real 4WD locally. The 4A only is a joke, there should always be a 4H and 4L option. The new ones are too much $$ ($67,000 for an XLT really??).

 

[PrepVet]

I believe it depends on the year, from my understanding 18-21 you need HD tow. I thought I read on the 2022+ Ford returned to the 2007-2017 style transfer case which is the BorgWarner TOD (which automatically comes with low range).

I’ve had a hard time finding a 4th gen with real 4WD locally. The 4A only is a joke, there should always be a 4H and 4L option. The new ones are too much $$ ($67,000 for an XLT really??).

Ok. That’s what I thought as well. I was thrown off by it saying it had the hitch and stuff. So I’m still not certain. Hopefully I will be able to take a look at it soon.

 

[ColoradoJason]

I have a 2023 XLT, and I have 2H, 4H, 4L, and 4A. I had to call Ford to confirm I would get these before ordering.

For 2022+, HD Tow includes the two-speed transfer case and 3.73 gear ratios. The fact that the VIN you are looking at has 3.31 tells me that it does not have HD Tow, and wouldn’t have the two-speed transfer case. That’s just for the current model though. I’m not sure what year you are looking at, and I sympathize. It was not easy for me to figure out.

 

[LokiWolf]

If the listing has interior pics, look at the center console. Around the Mode knob(Smaller) knob, you will see 4H, and 4L. That is the only guarantee.

4A works REALLY well on these honestly. Almost 3 years of Ownership, and never used anything other than 4A in slippery conditions, other than playing with modes. That includes driving through a foot of fresh snow. Would I buy this size SUV that is gas driven without it 4L as an option, no, but 95% of the people that buy these things don't need it, and that is a fact.

The 4th Gen's have a TOD transfer case. ALL 4WD ones do. That is how the 4A works. In 4A, front Diff, and hubs are engaged, Torque is sent forward when slip is detected, hence Torque on Demand. Only difference between 4A, and 4H, is that in 4A power is not sent forward unless slip is sensed, where as in 4H, the clutches in the center diff are already engaged sending power forward, and maintains a pretty much 50/50 split. There is some give and take based on slip and modes.

 

[2020FordRaptor]

My ‘15 EL was totaled by a deer so I am slowly shopping for a GEN4 to replace it. I really liked that car.

When I went to a VIN decoder website and ran it does this mean it would have the two speed transfer case?

Thanks!

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That means it has 4a on top of 4h and 4l.

 

[PrepVet]

If the listing has interior pics, look at the center console. Around the Mode knob(Smaller) knob, you will see 4H, and 4L. That is the only guarantee.

4A works REALLY well on these honestly. Almost 3 years of Ownership, and never used anything other than 4A in slippery conditions, other than playing with modes. That includes driving through a foot of fresh snow. Would I buy this size SUV that is gas driven without it 4L as an option, no, but 95% of the people that buy these things don't need it, and that is a fact.

The 4th Gen's have a TOD transfer case. ALL 4WD ones do. That is how the 4A works. In 4A, front Diff, and hubs are engaged, Torque is sent forward when slip is detected, hence Torque on Demand. Only difference between 4A, and 4H, is that in 4A power is not sent forward unless slip is sensed, where as in 4H, the clutches in the center diff are already engaged sending power forward, and maintains a pretty much 50/50 split. There is some give and take based on slip and modes.

No interior photos yet. I asked but haven’t heard from the dealer yet.

I am not a fan of 4a only. I like the different speeds and I have used them to effect before.

 

[sjwhiteley]

I've only got 4A and find it does very well in snow (snow mode) as well as slippery/grass conditions. Those modes put more to the front.

 

[PrepVet]

I've only got 4A and find it does very well in snow (snow mode) as well as slippery/grass conditions. Those modes put more to the front.

That’s fair. But that’s not what I’m looking for.

 

[Deadman]

3.31 axle ratio is the non tow pack gear ratio. Thats a great highway gear, but a very lazy towing gear. The tow packs get 3.73 gears.

 

[JExpedition07]

My 07 always had to rely on ABS much less in 4High than in 4Auto when driving on compacted ice, big difference in braking distance between the two. I’m not ecstatic that it’s not available on all of them.

Suburban reacts the same way between auto and high.

I think Mud and Ruts selects high, but it’s not as user friendly as just giving you a selection for high range around the dial.

 

[PrepVet]

Yep. A single speed. And no tow stuff on the back btw. Ah well. The search continues. I’m in no hurry.

 

[Bonk]

Sent you a message on a new/factory build coming up with hd tow. Unclear if you’re looking for new/used.

 

[Calidad]

They all come with a tow package but two versions. The standard is 6000lbs max that’s typically found in the trucks with the 3.31 and AWD only setup no 2spd transfer case.

The heavy tow package is 3.73 rear end, 9200lb max, two spd transfer case, rear elocker etc.

Be warned dealers have a bad habit of selling people the standard for more $$ to buyers thinking they are getting the non mini van heavy tow Expedition, when they aren’t.

 

[LokiWolf]

They all come with a tow package but two versions. The standard is 6000lbs max that’s typically found in the trucks with the 3.31 and AWD only setup no 2spd transfer case.

The heavy tow package is 3.73 rear end, 9200lb max, two spd transfer case, rear elocker etc.

Be warned dealers have a bad habit of selling people the standard for more $$ to buyers thinking they are getting the non mini van heavy tow Expedition, when they aren’t.

Several incorrect parts of your statements above. The Expedition does not have AWD, it has 4A. It is Automatic 4WD. AWD typically means some power to all wheels all the time, and can't be turned off. That is not the case for the Expedition. Normal operation is 2WD(RWD), and ZERO torque/power going to the front. Only difference between the 2 4WD systems in the Expedition is whether you can press a button to fully engage 4WD on demand, and the existence of a Low Range.

There is NO E-Locker in the Expedition. That implies a pin lock forcing both rear wheels to spin the same speed. The Expedition(if Equipped) has an ELSD(Electronic Limited Slip Differential) that has a simulated Lock mode. In that mode engaged by pressing the button the Electronically engaged clutches apply pressure to simulate a locked rear end. It is not meant for heavy use, as is the E-Locker found in the F150/F250.

 

[Grizguy]

I have an 18 MAX with heavy tow pkg the 4 x 4 has high / low. just dont be surprised when your fuel mpg drops to 10 mpg when towing. 18 -- 19 normal.. but much better when not traveling 80 mph