Sgt Darkness
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Anybody ever tried using 110 oval track racing gasoline? What’s the highest octane fuel you have ever used? Will our Expy’s run ok on non-ethanol fuel, for the 3.5TT engine?
110 Octane Racing Fuel
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Like any motor it will run far better with no ethanol.
Without a tune for 110 you are just wasting money.
93 will give you a noticeable difference over 87 with the factory tuning.
Ethanol and it’s government subsidies are one of the worst things that has happened to the automotive industry. Along with other emissions controls.
Complete and utter crap in daily driven vehicles and absolute destroyers of small engines.
Fortunately I have an Ethanol free 90 octane station not too far away. I run it in all my small engines.
Wish it was a bit cheaper or I’d run it in the Expedition.
Ethanol arguable has a place in high performance specially built applications but no place in most of our motors.
Without a tune for 110 you are just wasting money.
93 will give you a noticeable difference over 87 with the factory tuning.
Ethanol and it’s government subsidies are one of the worst things that has happened to the automotive industry. Along with other emissions controls.
Complete and utter crap in daily driven vehicles and absolute destroyers of small engines.
Fortunately I have an Ethanol free 90 octane station not too far away. I run it in all my small engines.
Wish it was a bit cheaper or I’d run it in the Expedition.
Ethanol arguable has a place in high performance specially built applications but no place in most of our motors.
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I'm not so sure these trucks would run at all on 110 octane. With out a high compression motor, it wouldn't be enough to ignite the fuel. Can probably get away with 100 octane but 110 requires like 12:1 compression or higher, as far as I know.
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I think it would still run and probably run fine but it would be a waste of money and octane.
You only need enough to prevent detonation and maybe a point or two extra but any more you are wasting and more than likely lowering power output....all ecm management being equal.
You only need enough to prevent detonation and maybe a point or two extra but any more you are wasting and more than likely lowering power output....all ecm management being equal.
jeff kushner
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110 octane is nothing more than a measure of Knock Resistance....NOTHING MORE!
It doesn't require higher compression or higher temps and other bs. It will be overkill(b/c your engine can't adjust for that high octane) for your engine but will not harm it. It may however harm your wallet as it's is very expensive.
I typically run similar fuels in these......cause these Two Strokes were engineered to the fuel we had in the early 70's....100-105 Octane.
jeff
It doesn't require higher compression or higher temps and other bs. It will be overkill(b/c your engine can't adjust for that high octane) for your engine but will not harm it. It may however harm your wallet as it's is very expensive.
I typically run similar fuels in these......cause these Two Strokes were engineered to the fuel we had in the early 70's....100-105 Octane.
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I was reading about Dodge's newest high horsepower animal, their 840 horsepower Dodge Demon. To get to that number, it was tuned for I believe 100 plus octane. That motor might even be able to eek out another 40-60 horse's with 105 or higher, and an even more radical tune. Just in case 840's not enough for the craziest of you horsepower junkies out there!
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Wow, didn’t know when I first posted this thread it would garner so much attention. I was pumping gas a couple weeks ago at Shell and noticed they still had their racing pump going from back when we were racing late models at our local track here. Had to post something after seeing that pump was still in service. Was five bucks a gallon six years ago.....thanks to our members for your attention to this thread....like DW says, “let’s go racing boys”.
That's a heck of a line up of motorcycles. Love it. I don't have the time to ride more than the 1 I have and it had to be in storage for the winter.
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Jeff, I recognize the front three bikes, but what's the two in the rear? One looks like a modern dual purpose, can't tell what they are. Are they Kawasaki's as well?
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I was wondering about that. Why won't it adjust for 110, or any, octane? I thought the mechanism was a knock sensor to detect knocking from too much advance, then backing off the timing until it quit knocking. higher octane gas allows the engine to advance the timing more, correct?
E85 ethanol *is* the highest octane fuel semi-widely available in America...
But was the 3.5 a flex fuel vehicle like the 5.4?
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The reason that our engines won't calibrate for 110 octane is that the parameters engineered for sensors requires very tiny adjustments over the range of "typical" fuels today. Therefore it would make sense not to set the "range" much higher or lower than required. Our computer simply won't "see" the octane much above 95.
Thanks Cmiles....
The bikes are in order front to back,
1975 H1 500cc two stroke triple-built as a test engine, it includes enough mods to run with every other bike here.
1975 S1 250cc two stroke triple- but with highly modded 350 cc cylinders, 26mm Flat Slides, etc.
1975 H2 750cc two stroke triple...100% original.
1982 Yamaha 650 Turbo- Factory stock other than modded boost system for 18PSI.
2007 Suzuki Vstrom DL1000K7-LC Vtwin. Modded for touring....a rock of reliability.
The CB350G was given to Kerry and I sold the 400F Supersport.....I'm not a big 4 stroke fan.
1974 Suzuki GT750L water-cooled two stroke triple--next project
1975 Suzuki GT550's..one is highly modified()
the other stock.
There is also another '75 H1 and a '72 blue H1 behind the GT750.....and another H2, a '74 in there somewhere too.
jeff
Thanks Cmiles....
The bikes are in order front to back,
1975 H1 500cc two stroke triple-built as a test engine, it includes enough mods to run with every other bike here.
1975 S1 250cc two stroke triple- but with highly modded 350 cc cylinders, 26mm Flat Slides, etc.
1975 H2 750cc two stroke triple...100% original.
1982 Yamaha 650 Turbo- Factory stock other than modded boost system for 18PSI.
2007 Suzuki Vstrom DL1000K7-LC Vtwin. Modded for touring....a rock of reliability.
The CB350G was given to Kerry and I sold the 400F Supersport.....I'm not a big 4 stroke fan.
1974 Suzuki GT750L water-cooled two stroke triple--next project
1975 Suzuki GT550's..one is highly modified()
the other stock.
There is also another '75 H1 and a '72 blue H1 behind the GT750.....and another H2, a '74 in there somewhere too.
jeff
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i run a tank of non ethanol 89 octane periodically
makes a difference in mpg, but not enough to warrant the additional 35 cents per gallon..that is a hard pill to swallow.
makes a difference in mpg, but not enough to warrant the additional 35 cents per gallon..that is a hard pill to swallow.
joethefordguy
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the reason it costs so much more is that green politicians tax it heavier than otherwise. they did the same thing to diesel.
