18' Navigator Concept...thoughts or things to add/change

[dlcorbett]

http://www.motortrend.com/news/2018-lincoln-navigator-concept-first-look-review/

The navigator concept has been revealed and i must my expectations are pretty high for the next gen of our fav family hauler. Details and information is pretty scant, but here are my takeaways if anyones interested:

1. Though not discussed, its somewhat obvious that the body will be aluminum. Lincoln did not want to talk on the body type, hopefully they do a fusion on bof and unibody thats currently used for the mb gls class.

2. The ugly body on the spied expy mule is just a prototype for an enlarged (range rover copy) of the Explorer body. I have no quarrels with this as i like how the explorer and range looks, and range is already aluminum and full sized so why not copy it.

3. the body actually seems larger, which does match the expy mules larger mule body but smaller windows (disguise the size increase).

4. The interior packaging issue will finally be addressed, please do not change this ford. Also, it looks like the power running board feature could be repackaged into to body of the truck as seen om the concept as well. Though the steps are not real, i can see ford using the concept to make an advanced and repackaged version of the feature they introduced to begin with.

5. Theres alot of design elements taken from other automakers, but if you cant beat em...

In all, this truck looks promising, and pretty much this truck is showing us what we will be getting next year with some tweaks. I hope they make the headlights a bit meaner looking but that may be reserved for the expy. What do you guys think about it, it seems ford is finally takin this truck seriously again.

 

[JollyRoger]

Wow thanks for sharing...I've not seen this one yet. If this is going to be the next Navigator, then this vehicle no longer shares anything with the upcoming Expedition. The next Expedition will use much of the F150, and will remain a body-on-frame vehicle, and my guess is the current drive-train and Ecoboost will probably remain. My guess is the body and interior will be where the major refresh work is done.

This Navigator in these pics is clearly not a body-on-frame, nor does it have any parts from the current F150. Perhaps they are splitting the Nav/Expy into two different vehicles, or this is simply a concept/design exercise that some smart (?) journalist added '2018' to the headline.

It will be interesting to see what happens...I wish the would release some more photos of the next Expy mule. The ones that are out there are clearly a current F150 with a current Expy tail grafted on. I'd love to see a drawing or concept photo to give us something to drool over.

Thanks

 

[botts]

This Navigator in these pics is clearly not a body-on-frame, nor does it have any parts from the current F150. Perhaps they are splitting the Nav/Expy into two different vehicles, or this is simply a concept/design exercise that some smart (?) journalist added '2018' to the headline.

Thanks

That would be interesting if they split the line.

It doesn't look at all like the Expy/F150 mule that's been spied, so you might be right.

Or the easiest explanation, this is a design exercise.

 

[GAINMOB]

I was actually there last week at the NYC International Auto Show where this was revealed...as u stated this is a concept and I spent about 30 mins with Lincoln talking about that vehicle...I told them that we're in the market of buying another vehicle and how I wanted the Navigator but wife wanted the escalade...they went into more detail about the navigator and what they "think" will make the cut for 2017 and 2018 Navigators...

the entire is OUTSTANDING...the console...the center console front and back...the seat design...I WISHED the entire alone would be in the next navigator...they used a very nice wood for the dash and woodgrain...don't remember what he said it was...so in the future...we may see the shape come to reality...we may see the grille...the velvet interior will NOT make it...the center console designs as of right now wont make it...maybe down the road...u should hear this thing start up...OOOOOOMMMMMGGGG!!! IT SOUNDS SO WONDERFUL!!!! dual exhaust...it sounded like a sports car when they started it!!! the gullwing door will never make it to design...not feasible due to the clearance needed to open it...the wheels are ugly to me...

the next gen of the navigator will be closer to this than we think

 

[JollyRoger]

Did you happen to ask them if the next Navigator will be body-on-frame, or will it be a unibody/crossover thing? Just wondering if it will pull my boat. When I look at that Navigator concept, I keep seeing the Ford Flex underneath...is it roughly the same size?

If the next one doesn't tow at least 8,000 lbs, then they are going to lose some customers to the Escalade for sure.

 

[GAINMOB]

Did you happen to ask them if the next Navigator will be body-on-frame, or will it be a unibody/crossover thing? Just wondering if it will pull my boat. When I look at that Navigator concept, I keep seeing the Ford Flex underneath...is it roughly the same size?

If the next one doesn't tow at least 8,000 lbs, then they are going to lose some customers to the Escalade for sure.

no I didn't...it is still a large SUV and they took the slope towards the rear from the dodge magnum...so its still roughly the same size...over 400 hp from the turbos...shouldn't be a problem

 

[dlcorbett]

Wow i can ginally reply, i think the site server is in and out. Anyway i believe the expy mule we saw is just a prototype to test the driveline, none of what we saw on the body will make it to production. Idk if you all remember but ford did this with the 11 explorer and 15 f150, at first they had body elements from from older vehicles of the same type and after they released the concepts for said vehicle, thats when the vehicles started to be seen with specific bady panels until they right before release. I like the body style the navi previewed and really hope they keep most all of that design, caddillac will finally have something to worry about. 400 hp sounds great, it may get the same engine ad the new raptor sounds like while the expy gets the current navi tuned eb as an higher trim option and the 2.7 as std

 

[GAINMOB]

it is just that...a concept but some things from the concepts make the cut from what I was told...how minute the things are is the question...I don't believe the body will be in next years release but when they redesign in a few years we should see some changes

 

[AfloatAndrew]

Will there be a 2017?

Is there any idea if there will be a 2017 model expedition/navigator, or will they just keep the 2016 production longer and skip to a redesigned 2018?

 

[GAINMOB]

Expedition redesign is 2017

Mr. 10K

 

[botts]

Expedition redesign is 2017

Mr. 10K

Can't wait for some rumours about the Expedition redesign. Plenty of power plant options at Ford right now.

I drove a 2016 Yukon XL this week for a few days, and that 5.3L with cylinder deactivation is pretty nice. The interior of the Expedition is still nicer though.

What are people hoping will power the 2017 Expedition and 2018 Navigator?

 

[GAINMOB]

They already have sneak peek photos out...lol...it has the F150 front end...tails look like it too...Google 2016 expedition and look at the photos...no interior pics...exterior is still wrapped but u can make it out

Mr. 10K

 

[GAINMOB]

They will still have the ecoboost only they aren't calling it that anymore...they have a different name only because it sounds better per the Lincoln reps I talked to at the international show last month in NYC

Mr. 10K

 

[dlcorbett]

We will have to wait until the end of the year to get more information unfortunately but it looks like the rep gave some interesting clues on what to expect. Even though the navi concept looks completely different from the current navi and the spied 18 expy from last yr, going off the continental concept from last yrs auto show and how similar it looks to the production version (same for atlus concept and f150 production model) its safe to assume that the navi will be most the same with minor differences, safe some production pieces that is seen on the continental production car. I think the main question now is what new features will the trucks have and how much different the navi will be from the expy. Im thinkin the navi will be more carlike (fusion of bof and unibody) to help replace the mkt which is unibody and the expy will be more rugged bof but refined

 

[GAINMOB]

No it won't be car like...it is competing in the luxury line...escalade and others...they may bring the aviator to be more car like to compete with range rover and other small suvs

Mr. 10K