2017 Expedition - Can I pick your Brain?

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Hi everyone,

My wife and I picked up a 2017 Expedition with ~29,000 miles (~34,600 now) back in August 2018. It's an XLT, leather, 4WD, standard wheel base. We had it CPO'd prior to purchase so we have the 7 year/100k warranty. We were having trouble with our 2016 Honda Odyssey's transmission and after multiple trips to the dealer and not having any luck resolving the issue (it's normal, they say!) I did some searching online and found out Odysseys are known for transmission issues. Something about the design of the transmission causes the fluid to overheat and thus degrade. Anyway, I had always enjoyed my 88 F-150 and 95 F-150, liked my dad's 2010 F-150, and decided to give the Expedition a shot. So far, we love the vehicle, but we've had a few issues and I was hoping to run a couple of them by the wisdom of this forum.

First, probably the easy one. When you all switch the temperate in your vehicle can you hear the actuators moving? We are in the process of having the blower motor replaced under warranty and upon receiving the vehicle back I noticed this. I just happened to be sitting in complete silence when I was adjusting the temperature so I suspect I had just never noticed it before, but wanted to see what others had experienced. The blower fan isn't replaced yet because they had to order parts so they took it apart, confirmed it was defective, and then put it all back together because they did not have a loaner to give us and this is the only vehicle we own that will fit our family. I want to make sure something didn't go wrong when they put it back together and can bring this up when I return the vehicle to the dealer if it's an issue. I did do some searching and this is not the same as the actuator clicking I see others experiencing on this forum.

Second, probably the impossible one. A few weeks ago I started hearing a random squeak while driving. It appears to happen after accelerating while the engine is leveling out to cruising conditions. I cannot reproduce it, make it happen, or tell you under which circumstance(s) it occurs because it's that random. The only thing consistent about this noise is that it won't go away. It happens almost every time we drive at least once, but sometimes it doesn't happen and other times it happens multiple times. It appears to be worse when it's cold, but I just cannot pin this down. Since we are approaching the end of our bumper to bumper warranty I'm trying to figure out what this is so I'm not stuck paying for the repair later. Below is a video. About 6 seconds in you can hear a "whoop" sound. It's real quick and easy to miss. Does anybody have any ideas I can explore? I was going to mention it when the vehicle returns to the dealer but with nothing to go on I figure I'm going to get stuck with this issue.


A third issue is that the air stops coming out of the ceiling vents, but only under a very specific circumstance. If I use the Sync touch screen to turn the heat level to level 3 or higher, the air stops coming from the ceiling vents. I can turn the heat all the way up using the rear controls and it blows out just fine, but if I use the touch screen it shuts off at heat level 3 or higher. Note, I do mean heat level and not fan speed.

A fourth issue is intermittent stiff steering. I'm still able to turn the wheel fine, but the steering has gotten stiffer since we purchased the vehicle when trying to park in parking lots or like yesterday when I was trying to back my trailer into the garage. I've read about U-Joints in the steering shaft needing greased and I plan to address this with the dealer, but wanted to see if anybody else had heard of this and had any idea what it might be.

I apologize for the long post, but figured the more detail the better. I've been reading these forums since before we purchased the expedition as a way to research if we really wanted one or not so I'm confident you all will have good feedback.

Thank you in advance for your assistance!
 

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If you take it to the dealer it'll be unavailable for a month & a half if it's my local dealer. Ask for a loaner.
The 1st item: as long as it's not clicking ir rattling like baseball card in bicycle spokes you're good.
2nd turbo waste gate?
3rd wat the heck?
4th have you checked the power steering fluid level lately?
 

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That sound is the wastegates, mine does it too, it sort of sounds like an owl. lol.

The stiff steering I would mention to the dealer... if there is a problem with the electric power steering rack (no power steering pump or fluid) it can get quite expensive rather quickly.
 
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#1: There is no clicking or anything. Normally the type of sound I’m hearing wouldn’t concern me but because I had never heard it before and I heard it right after getting it back I was concerned.

#2: I’ll mention the possibility of turbo waste gates and see what they say.

#4: Unless it’s hiding, this car doesn’t have power steering fluid. I think the steering is electric because I can’t find a power steering reservoir anywhere.

Thank you both for your responses. If anyone else has any thoughts please feel free to share. I’ll also update this thread when I have results.




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He’s right. Electric steering from 2015 on I think. No fluid. The air not coming from the vents could be the automatic redirecting of air depending on temp. If your climate system is needing to blow cool air, it usually comes out of the ceiling vents, if it needs to warm things up, it will, by default blow from the lower vent. My truck does this. I can override this by choosing the air flow via the buttons on the rear control panel. Otherwise it’s automatic.


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Hi everyone,

My wife and I picked up a 2017 Expedition with ~29,000 miles (~34,600 now) back in August 2018. It's an XLT, leather, 4WD, standard wheel base. We had it CPO'd prior to purchase so we have the 7 year/100k warranty. We were having trouble with our 2016 Honda Odyssey's transmission and after multiple trips to the dealer and not having any luck resolving the issue (it's normal, they say!) I did some searching online and found out Odysseys are known for transmission issues. Something about the design of the transmission causes the fluid to overheat and thus degrade. Anyway, I had always enjoyed my 88 F-150 and 95 F-150, liked my dad's 2010 F-150, and decided to give the Expedition a shot. So far, we love the vehicle, but we've had a few issues and I was hoping to run a couple of them by the wisdom of this forum.

First, probably the easy one. When you all switch the temperate in your vehicle can you hear the actuators moving? We are in the process of having the blower motor replaced under warranty and upon receiving the vehicle back I noticed this. I just happened to be sitting in complete silence when I was adjusting the temperature so I suspect I had just never noticed it before, but wanted to see what others had experienced. The blower fan isn't replaced yet because they had to order parts so they took it apart, confirmed it was defective, and then put it all back together because they did not have a loaner to give us and this is the only vehicle we own that will fit our family. I want to make sure something didn't go wrong when they put it back together and can bring this up when I return the vehicle to the dealer if it's an issue. I did do some searching and this is not the same as the actuator clicking I see others experiencing on this forum.

Second, probably the impossible one. A few weeks ago I started hearing a random squeak while driving. It appears to happen after accelerating while the engine is leveling out to cruising conditions. I cannot reproduce it, make it happen, or tell you under which circumstance(s) it occurs because it's that random. The only thing consistent about this noise is that it won't go away. It happens almost every time we drive at least once, but sometimes it doesn't happen and other times it happens multiple times. It appears to be worse when it's cold, but I just cannot pin this down. Since we are approaching the end of our bumper to bumper warranty I'm trying to figure out what this is so I'm not stuck paying for the repair later. Below is a video. About 6 seconds in you can hear a "whoop" sound. It's real quick and easy to miss. Does anybody have any ideas I can explore? I was going to mention it when the vehicle returns to the dealer but with nothing to go on I figure I'm going to get stuck with this issue.


A third issue is that the air stops coming out of the ceiling vents, but only under a very specific circumstance. If I use the Sync touch screen to turn the heat level to level 3 or higher, the air stops coming from the ceiling vents. I can turn the heat all the way up using the rear controls and it blows out just fine, but if I use the touch screen it shuts off at heat level 3 or higher. Note, I do mean heat level and not fan speed.

A fourth issue is intermittent stiff steering. I'm still able to turn the wheel fine, but the steering has gotten stiffer since we purchased the vehicle when trying to park in parking lots or like yesterday when I was trying to back my trailer into the garage. I've read about U-Joints in the steering shaft needing greased and I plan to address this with the dealer, but wanted to see if anybody else had heard of this and had any idea what it might be.

I apologize for the long post, but figured the more detail the better. I've been reading these forums since before we purchased the expedition as a way to research if we really wanted one or not so I'm confident you all will have good feedback.

Thank you in advance for your assistance!

Wanted to give everyone an update on what I’ve learned so far:

#1 - actuator noise is normal.

#2 - they could not reproduce the squeak (no surprise) so I did not get a diagnosis there.

#3 - they said the ceiling vents cutting off air and blowing from the rear housing only is normal when heat gets turned up that high. Interestingly, it blows just fine using the rear controls. Maybe it’s a safety thing?

#4 - they couldn’t find anything wrong with the steering but decided to replace the rack and pinion anyway. I’m still waiting on this to take place. Parts came in Friday and should be installed after Christmas. I can only assume they decided to do this out of an abundance of caution since steering is a pretty important component.

Bonus info - the expedition was in for other stuff as well I didn’t mention here. The hatch motor was replaced because the gate stopped opening all the way, the front blower motor was replaced (making noise when cold), the drivers side window has a squeak, and some trim pieces broke by the rear window. I went to pick the vehicle up Friday evening and when I got there they tried to start it and bring it to me and it was completely dead. No lights, nothing. They were able to jump it but since we don’t know what happened and we were heading out of town the next morning we took the loaner home instead of our car. A week or two prior to that while they were diagnosing other issues they checked the battery and it passed testing and they said it was fine. So, now I’m also waiting to hear if my battery failed or if there is some other issue. I’m starting to become concerned there is an electrical issue that needs diagnosed but I’m not entirely convinced. I did ask them to consider this possibility and look into it.


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So just out of curiosity, how long has the truck been at the dealership so far? @Beckta10

I took it in most recently on 12/17 and it will be there until at least 12/26.

The time before that it was being diagnosed and returned on 12/17 to be repaired. It was only there a day last time but I brought more issues to their attention when I brought it back 12/17 which led to ordering the steering rack.

I think all that made sense...if not let me know.


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I owe you all an update. Picked the expedition up last night. So far, new steering rack is nice and smooth. They also determined the battery was bad and replaced that under warranty. I’m happy to have it back and hope all is well from here on out!


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Another update for you all -

I ended up taking the expedition to another dealer because I had lost faith in my local one. Long story short, every time it went in for something at the local dealer it had to go back because something was wrong or something else was broken. Specific to this time, while the steering rack was smooth the alignment was a joke! Upon inspection at the new dealer, they determined the alignment was never done on the new steering rack.

In addition to this and among other things, we had been experiencing a growling noise under acceleration and it was determined to be the driver side turbo. They also thought they had the squeak in the video nailed down to that turbo as well. The turbo was replaced and I still have the squeak. After doing some further testing on my own this weekend it appears the squeak is coming from the passenger side turbo.
 
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You're like the poster child for oldskool hydraulic steering V8's

That sure is a lot of glitches for a newish truck... how much did you pay for it?
 
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You're like the poster child for oldskool hydraulic steering V8's

That sure is a lot of glitches for a newish truck... how much did you pay for it?


We paid $36k plus $1,000 for the ford certified preowned warranty. There are actually more issues with this vehicle than listed here and I’m currently considering contacting a lemon law attorney. I compiled a list today of 17 issues, some duplicates because the same item was repaired more than once. Of the 17, 12 were actual repairs. I love the vehicle, when it works, but the number of problems we’ve had is very frustrating.
 

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We paid $36k plus $1,000 for the ford certified preowned warranty. There are actually more issues with this vehicle than listed here and I’m currently considering contacting a lemon law attorney. I compiled a list today of 17 issues, some duplicates because the same item was repaired more than once. Of the 17, 12 were actual repairs. I love the vehicle, when it works, but the number of problems we’ve had is very frustrating.

Yeesh

My two V8's were bought at 157k and 131k mi respectively, for half that total, and didn't need any work I couldn't sort out myself... nowhere near 17 issues

The one time I actually needed a tow was my own damn fault, left a slow pinhole leak to drown a spark plug well over 20k miles until it finally started misfiring like mad
 

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We paid $36k plus $1,000 for the ford certified preowned warranty. There are actually more issues with this vehicle than listed here and I’m currently considering contacting a lemon law attorney. I compiled a list today of 17 issues, some duplicates because the same item was repaired more than once. Of the 17, 12 were actual repairs. I love the vehicle, when it works, but the number of problems we’ve had is very frustrating.

In most states you probably qualify under lemon laws for a buy back.
 

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Wow that's terrible. It makes me wonder if it was a buyback from another ford owner. Can you get a listing of the service work done with the original owner? My trust would be gone and I would be looking to lemon law it if you can or keep making the selling dealer repair it until perfect while providing a loaner vehicle or rental at their expense. If you haven't already, open a case with Ford so they know what's going on.

To contrast, I bought a 17 with 29,000 on it XLT, EL 4x4 last spring. It was either a fleet or rental vehicle via the carfax. It's pretty basic. I got it for $34K so your deal sounds good. I've towed with it many times (around 5,000lbs full utility trailer) and have moved from a hot humid climate (Alabama) to the frozen tundra of Albany NY. At 48,000 miles I have had zero issues. I do the maintenance per the owner's manual or earlier depending on what I am doing with the vehicle at the Ford dealers since I have the extended Ford warranty. I do this so if something has to be covered under warranty, I find it easier if I have a history with them or if they try to deny it, I can say your techs should have noticed during the inspection. I run 93 octane when hot outside or towing, 87 the rest of the time. Keeping it stock as well.
 
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Anybody have recommendations on a lemon attorney in IL? I was going to call an attorney I’ve used for other things and see if they have a recommendation as well.

Regarding calling Ford, I wasn’t sure what to do there. On one hand I’d like to give them the opportunity to make it right but on the other hand I don’t want anything I say or do to be used against me so I was leaning towards an attorney first. Thoughts?
 

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Anybody have recommendations on a lemon attorney in IL? I was going to call an attorney I’ve used for other things and see if they have a recommendation as well.

Regarding calling Ford, I wasn’t sure what to do there. On one hand I’d like to give them the opportunity to make it right but on the other hand I don’t want anything I say or do to be used against me so I was leaning towards an attorney first. Thoughts?

You might want to check any documentation on your states consumer affairs department.

While dealing with the paint issue I mentioned to a normal Ford Customer Service rep on the phone I mentioned lemon. The went into having somebody call me back. About 30 minutes later a Regional person called me and tried to blame the paint on me driving on salted roads. I said I am in California. I said I am in Sacramento. Which means over 100 miles from the ocean and over 50 miles from any place that salts.

They then switched to wanting another dealer evaluation.

Moral of the story: Saying lemon kicks off a process with Ford Customer Service.
 
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