Engine runs rough when cold. At dealer here is what they found.......

[Hodoor-Hodoor]

You really shouldn't be getting any misfires. I don't consider an 05 old at all. I have a daily driver 98 and a pickup truck that's a 93 that sits for months at a time. They both start up and run perfect with no misfires or issues whatsoever and neither one has had many parts replaced or been religiously maintain. They've been quite neglected.

Don't fall into that trap that so many people do thinking it's because the car is all of its going to have problems. This is why so many people buy new cars every so often or keep newer vehicles. Especially now that things are starting to have some very expensive repairs when they do need them, I prefer to keep the old ones.
I actually think I'm starting a collection. I just bought a 2000 last year with 49,000 miles on it and another 2000 last month with 85000.
The first one I drove 3 1/2 hours to get it home and the second one was a 17-hour trip to get back over 800 miles with stops for food and gas.

TobyU,
I didn't exactly buy a new car there friend. So please don't put me into the new car every 3 years crowd. And no-duh it shouldn't be miss firing. My '05 has 263,000 miles on it with an original engine. Straightened out some engine, rust issues on the B-pilars, and other maintenance activities expected of a 15 year old vehicle. My expy is now in great shape and I haven't even spent a quarter of what a new SUV costs these days. I'm glad to hear your cars start and run great but I don't see how that relates to the rest of us in the forum who are obviously trying to solve issues with our imperfect expy's.

 

[TobyU]

TobyU,
I didn't exactly buy a new car there friend. So please don't put me into the new car every 3 years crowd. And no-duh it shouldn't be miss firing. My '05 has 263,000 miles on it with an original engine. Straightened out some engine, rust issues on the B-pilars, and other maintenance activities expected of a 15 year old vehicle. My expy is now in great shape and I haven't even spent a quarter of what a new SUV costs these days. I'm glad to hear your cars start and run great but I don't see how that relates to the rest of us in the forum who are obviously trying to solve issues with our imperfect expy's.

Just making sure that you weren't assuming that all old cars have problems and don't perform 100%.
Gage and Miles off and has nothing to do with it but I understand now that you know that.
Many do not. Manny do not. So many people think that when a car gets near some magic number of miles like pushing a hundred thousand, that they must get rid of it quickly or it's going to cost and lots of money. When in reality cost and lots of money is continually buying new cars.
Need to get to the root of that misfiring problem though. They normally don't have any misfiring problems and coils are the most common culprit with spark plugs being number two and then you have the possibility of rocker arm or valve train issues and fuel injectors.

 

[jeff kushner]

I feel for the OP of this thread and understand his decision to replace his engine after careful thought no doubt, to take the hit and move on with life. It's very hard for some to do that, you are a fortunate man that you can.

jeff

 

[TobyU]

I feel for the OP of this thread and understand his decision to replace his engine after careful thought no doubt, to take the hit and move on with life. It's very hard for some to do that, you are a fortunate man that you can.

jeff

I hope I will still be able to do big repairs like this many years in the future. As far as taking a hit moving on, I find it is often more financially efficient to sell a vehicle and go buy one that at least when you buy it is operating properly.
So many people don't seem to want to do this though. They get sentimentally attached to their vehicles or they use the theory that they would rather trust the devil they know. When a vehicle has a major failure like that I'm usually more than happy to sever my ties with it and move on to something else. I can usually buy a complete good running vehicle as cheap as the repairs are or by the time you sell the other vehicle you come out ahead.
I think it really boils down to the inconvenience and doing all this. People that need the car to drive everyday don't want it to be down the extra time so the simplest way is a sent to the garage and hope it gets done in four or five days.
Selling a car and going by another one doesn't have anything to do with someone's mechanical ability or physical ability it's just inconvenient and time-consuming.

 

[JExpedition07]

I hope I will still be able to do big repairs like this many years in the future. As far as taking a hit moving on, I find it is often more financially efficient to sell a vehicle and go buy one that at least when you buy it is operating properly.
So many people don't seem to want to do this though. They get sentimentally attached to their vehicles or they use the theory that they would rather trust the devil they know. When a vehicle has a major failure like that I'm usually more than happy to sever my ties with it and move on to something else. I can usually buy a complete good running vehicle as cheap as the repairs are or by the time you sell the other vehicle you come out ahead.
I think it really boils down to the inconvenience and doing all this. People that need the car to drive everyday don't want it to be down the extra time so the simplest way is a sent to the garage and hope it gets done in four or five days.
Selling a car and going by another one doesn't have anything to do with someone's mechanical ability or physical ability it's just inconvenient and time-consuming.

That makes absolutely no sense. Our 3rd gens are worth too much $$ to just throw them away if the motor blows. His truck is worth in the neighborhood of $20,000 and with a blown motor not even half that. So he should lose $14,000ish by selling his truck with no motor then spend another $20,000 for a new expy for a total loss of $34,000, Nope. Better idea to have your own vehicle you’ve invested in and fixed/know history with new parts than someone else’s pile.

 

[TobyU]

That makes absolutely no sense. Our 3rd gens are worth too much $$ to just throw them away if the motor blows. His truck is worth in the neighborhood of $20,000 and with a blown motor not even half that. So he should lose $14,000ish by selling his truck with no motor then spend another $20,000 for a new expy for a total loss of $34,000, Nope. Better idea to have your own vehicle you’ve invested in and fixed/know history with new parts than someone else’s pile.

I don't mean throw it away or sell it for scrap metal for $400. I mean if it has major engine problems that won't even run sell it as meeting an engine. Or trade the damn thing in buy a new one like so many people do.
but when one is still running and driveable you can get a lot more money for it.
It also depends what your range were talking about. I have a friend who has another friend right now who is going to spend over $1,500 to get a transmission part in his 99 GMC extended cab truck which is beat up and has Rusty rockers and 240,000 on it. He was going to spend 2000 but at least we found him a deal for 1,500 out the door. There is no way I would do this. I would buy a junkyard one and swap it or I would just sell the truck because it's still drive Bolt the transmission is just slipping. Sell it to someone who wants to fix it. There are far too many vehicles just like his for under $3,500 that run and drive just fine that are in better shape.

 

[jeff kushner]

Guys, we've all been there....or one day will be.....and we find pros and cons to either decision......that's what makes it a decision in the first place.........



When my tranny began slipping in my 03EB, sure, I could have replaced it but I made a choice to replace the truck. I ultimately did give my old truck away to a young guy trying to make his life better for his family. I know, this breaks "all the rules".....but if it works for me....was I wrong? I dunno.



I once in '89 bought my company Sedan-Deville an '87 w/ 32K for $2,000 from JWP (Yeah NY'ers, that JWP) I had just replaced the brakes and tires.......basically, they gave me the car.

At 110,000K the engine went.....I had two babies& wife at home...it was trashed...replaced it for $4500, 8 months later, tranny went, replaced for $3500......1 month later, sold the car from JWP's(a subsidiary of) parking lot in DC...for $6500 to a guy I would let drive it to test, no further than the inside of the lot.

Did I lose money? Maybe to an accountant....but I tend to see things globally first and in the "grand scheme", I don't think I did.

The point is, when you have two cars/married/wife works and one car becomes disabled............THAT makes a huge difference in your decisions. Honestly, having a 3rd car once I could afford a "beater" to stay parked most of the time, was one of the most stress relieving decisions of my life. Having a 3rd option, even a motorcycle is a huge relief when something breaks.




Toby, as far as for me, the line between "being able" to make repairs and "being willing" to make them once you can afford to pay someone else without it impacting you, well that line gets a whole lot more transparent and tough to see.


It might be my outlook too.....I've always hated working on car engines...they are big, heavy, overweight and unruly. A motorcycle engine though is must better and more thoroughly engineered so each part is only as heavy as it needs to be...it's art, not work to me.


I'm not saying the OP didn't have a bitter pill to swallow....but he would have looked at it the same way we all would have...."Do I have the skills, how long would it take me to do it, do I have to tools vs I need the truck back on the road vs cost and trust that it will be done on time"
He made his best call.....let's not disagree with him for that......
jeff

 

[TobyU]

Guys, we've all been there....or one day will be.....and we find pros and cons to either decision......that's what makes it a decision in the first place.........




When my tranny began slipping in my 03EB, sure, I could have replaced it but I made a choice to replace the truck. I ultimately did give my old truck away to a young guy trying to make his life better for his family. I know, this breaks "all the rules".....but if it works for me....was I wrong? I dunno.



I once in '89 bought my company Sedan-Deville an '87 w/ 32K for $2,000 from JWP (Yeah NY'ers, that JWP) I had just replaced the brakes and tires.......basically, they gave me the car.

At 110,000K the engine went.....I had two babies& wife at home...it was trashed...replaced it for $4500, 8 months later, tranny went, replaced for $3500......1 month later, sold the car from JWP's(a subsidiary of) parking lot in DC...for $6500 to a guy I would let drive it to test, no further than the inside of the lot.

Did I lose money? Maybe to an accountant....but I tend to see things globally first and in the "grand scheme", I don't think I did.

The point is, when you have two cars/married/wife works and one car becomes disabled............THAT makes a huge difference in your decisions. Honestly, having a 3rd car once I could afford a "beater" to stay parked most of the time, was one of the most stress relieving decisions of my life. Having a 3rd option, even a motorcycle is a huge relief when something breaks.




Toby, as far as for me, the line between "being able" to make repairs and "being willing" to make them once you can afford to pay someone else without it impacting you, well that line gets a whole lot more transparent and tough to see.


It might be my outlook too.....I've always hated working on car engines...they are big, heavy, overweight and unruly. A motorcycle engine though is must better and more thoroughly engineered so each part is only as heavy as it needs to be...it's art, not work to me.


I'm not saying the OP didn't have a bitter pill to swallow....but he would have looked at it the same way we all would have...."Do I have the skills, how long would it take me to do it, do I have to tools vs I need the truck back on the road vs cost and trust that it will be done on time"
He made his best call.....let's not disagree with him for that......
jeff

I often say different strokes for different folks.
I just like to throw things out there so people can read that there's more than one way to solve the problem. And like to point out the price differences. The majority of vehicle owners would never, ever consider pulling out their own transmission let alone pulling the replacement one at the junkyard and then going home and swapping them.

 

[jeff kushner]

You are probably right, today? Most won't know how or realize that some jobs are a lot easier than they seem. I would haphazard a guess and say the % of people that drive and could do it, is less than 30 years ago.

I figure that not having do that stuff anymore is sort of a reward in life for me....and I'm not going to wait to enjoy it!


jeff

 

[TobyU]

Oh, I forgot to mention about those motorcycle engines. I am just the opposite. I understand and like car engines so much more.
I think overall it is piss me off to no end that the Japanese manufacturers put the transmission inside the engine case and you have to split cases to get to anything. It might be a nice compact design but I think it's a terrible one.
So my own dislike for the design has prevented me from ever taking one apart. I almost did on a 95 CBR900RR that had a knocking sound that I think was a spun bearing probably arrived. I told my nephew own that we had nothing to lose by tearing into it and maybe we could doctor it up or smooth down the crank and put it back together and get by. We never ended up taking it apart though. To me it is far harder to take a motorcycle engine out of a 95 to 2000 crotch rocket then it is to pull a V10 out of an excursion.
I did get some experience on shim under bucket valve adjustment though on the Yamaha Taurus shoa engines. That's pretty much a motorcycle thing in the world.

 

[jeff kushner]

LOL...shims, yes and then there's the different diameters from the different manufacturers. Think about this, I've got a set of carbs made for a Japanese bike made in the 80's, that model is the only thing on this planet these carbs fit......talk about model specific parts! Who else does that?

You know about Fireblade? Wow, I'm impressed! Most have never even peered under the plastic of a cbr900. The engine in that bike only leaves the engine bay on the right side and only after several components are released in place. You were probably well not to tear it down honestly. It is EXTREMELY easy to screw up the cam chain/timing to the point where it looks/feels right but isn't......then at 11,000rpm, all hell rips loose.










THIS is beauty, art and simplicity....oh, and a crapload of speed & glorious 2 stroke noise!!

100hp from 45CI

Hard to beat.....for 50 year old tech....engine comes out either side and weighs less than 125 pounds . They look a little different inside too.....The cylinder is upside-down for port work, middle of the job so it's not clean yet but some have never seen the inside of a two stroke cylinder.


jeff