Exhaust system question

[J Ski]

anyone know if the 2016 F150 3.5 EB exhaust system is a direct match to an Ex’s? Looking for a new setup but I feel that F150s have more options and want to know if they would fit my truck. 16 EL Platinum

 

[AllBoostNoEco]

No, none of the F-150 systems will fit, unfortunately. Due to the independent rear versus the solid axle, the bends in the tailpipe are way different. Currently, there aren’t any options for a 15-17 EL that are out there that I have been able to find. Magnaflow is still developing their exhaust, I sent an email a couple of weeks ago asking when it would be out, but never got a reply.

 

[chuck s]

Magnaflow is advertising a cat-back Expedition exhaust. Single, side exit. Doesn't exist?

-- Chuck

 

[LokiWolf]

Magnaflow is advertising a cat-back Expedition exhaust. Single, side exit. Doesn't exist?

-- Chuck

Only works on the Non-EL. The EL version is under development. Does anybody do a search anymore?

 

[chuck s]

I keep forgetting about the Lane Bryant version (EL).

-- Chuck

 

[gixer2000]

From the 07-14 it looked like the only difference from standard length to EL was this short section of pipe between the muffler and the pipe that goes over the rear suspension. Maybe you could purchase a standard length exhaust for a 15-17 and have a shop add that length? This picture is just for a reference

 

[J Ski]

Only works on the Non-EL. The EL version is under development. Does anybody do a search anymore?

Nobody is requiring you to post a reply you know. Maybe it was missed when a search was done

 

[07xln]

When this was discussed before I think the consensus was to have exhaust shop replace factory muffler with aftermarket, remove little muffler under rear bumper and weld in some straight pipe with a new tip.

The $$$ savings over going with the Magnaflow kit would be huge and performance would probably be the same.

 

[LokiWolf]

Nobody is requiring you to post a reply you know. Maybe it was missed when a search was done

That wasn’t directly pointed at you. There have been a fair amount of, “I didn’t want to search” or “I really don’t want to read the majority of this thread” type of posts lately. Come on, it isn’t hard. There is A LOT of good info out there. Off my soapbox now...Sorry for the grumbling.

 

[LokiWolf]

When this was discussed before I think the consensus was to have exhaust shop replace factory muffler with aftermarket, remove little muffler under rear bumper and weld in some straight pipe with a new tip.

The $$$ savings over going with the Magnaflow kit would be huge and performance would probably be the same.

Agree! A good shop could do it for half the price, but those are getting harder to find.

 

[MrTommy]

Magnaflow is advertising a cat-back Expedition exhaust. Single, side exit. Doesn't exist?

I'm an 'old' guy, hot rodding in the 60's kinda guy. I'm at a loss to understand what the advantage is to a "cat back" exhaust system. Isn't the catalytic converter the real power robber in the first place? What's left to tune once you get the exhaust out of the cat?

I remember putting on custom exhaust manifolds, as straight a pipe as possible, and a muffler that only looked like a muffler but did very little muffling - ha.

 

[Trainmaster]

I'm with you Tommy. But I suppose some of the added noise means a bit less restriction. Lots of the aftermarket exhaust parts are garbage and rot out quickly. Most, I'd say. I can't imagine why anyone would remove a $400 stainless Ford muffler that will easily serve for 20 years to replace with something like a Wagner pipe that rots off in sixteen months.

 

[07xln]

I'm an 'old' guy, hot rodding in the 60's kinda guy. I'm at a loss to understand what the advantage is to a "cat back" exhaust system. Isn't the catalytic converter the real power robber in the first place? What's left to tune once you get the exhaust out of the cat?

I remember putting on custom exhaust manifolds, as straight a pipe as possible, and a muffler that only looked like a muffler but did very little muffling - ha.

You’re right. There are no gains to be made power wise. A cat back is strictly to add sound.

 

[chuck s]

Old days? Heck back then we used to chrome everything to make it faster!

Unless you have a magic ECU aftermarket exhausts (and intakes) offer limited power gains and some are documented to decrease power. There are high flow catalytic converters marketed. I believe Magnaflow has some perhaps in kit form.

The OEM exhaust on my 2007 Expedition was still on the truck when I sold it this past summer. 10+ Ohio salt/slush winters without a whimper. Exited at the side of the car where it wouldn't melt the tires of bikes on the rear rack. Not sure yet if I need to divert the 2017 exhaust to the side to prevent this like I had to do on my earlier Explorer.

Intake and exhaust sound/noise can make the car more powerful -- by perception. Just like painting your brake calibers red makes it stop better.

-- Chuck

 

[AllBoostNoEco]

On the EcoBoost motors, the muffler is actually a huge power-robber. Properly designed cat-backs have made gains of up to 100 hp and 200 lbs-ft on the dyno (F-150, no one has dynoed gains on the Expedition that I’ve found). Not all of them do, obviously, but the potential is there. When Ford put the EB motor in trucks, they made them as quiet as possible partly because people wanted the V8 sound, not the V6 one. This cost plenty of power.
Modern cats are nowhere near as restrictive as they used to be, and the EB uses two small ones instead of a big single one. There are still gains to be made, but they actually aren’t as significant as the rest of the exhaust is.
This only applies to the 15+ models with the EB. The V8s are different and don’t see anywhere close to as big of a difference with exhaust mods.

 

[MrTommy]

This only applies to the 15+ models with the EB.

I was afraid of that. I've chipped and 'upped' darn near everything on my 97 Powerstroke for towing our 8,000 pound trailer. The results are SO impressive I was trying to talk wifey (who drives the Expy most of the time) into trying some computer chipping on IT, but she won't have any part of it. Then, after reading about chipping gas engines, and the lack of any real noticeable improvements, I've given up the whole idea.

 

[JExpedition07]

On the EcoBoost motors, the muffler is actually a huge power-robber. Properly designed cat-backs have made gains of up to 100 hp and 200 lbs-ft on the dyno (F-150, no one has dynoed gains on the Expedition that I’ve found). Not all of them do, obviously, but the potential is there. When Ford put the EB motor in trucks, they made them as quiet as possible partly because people wanted the V8 sound, not the V6 one. This cost plenty of power.
Modern cats are nowhere near as restrictive as they used to be, and the EB uses two small ones instead of a big single one. There are still gains to be made, but they actually aren’t as significant as the rest of the exhaust is.
This only applies to the 15+ models with the EB. The V8s are different and don’t see anywhere close to as big of a difference with exhaust mods.

IMO much more bang for your buck doing exhaust on the V8, because it will actually pick up quality and sound good, which is the point for most doing it. You can’t really make the V6 sound as good.

 

[MrTommy]

You can’t really make the V6 sound as good.

I totally agree - ha. Our 92 Explorer, while a nice car, was not nice sounding. It sounded like the six it was . .

 

[Trainmaster]

I really hope nobody believes that changing a $60 muffler will give them an additional 110 horsepower.

Here's one exhaustive discussion about a muffler manufacturer's wild claims regarding performance gains:

https://www.f150forum.com/f70/ecoboost-aftermarket-4-exhaust-dyno-results-96808/

 

[07xln]

I really hope nobody believes that changing a $60 muffler will give them an additional 110 horsepower.

^^^^^THIS!!!!!